I can promise you that words changing meaning over time is not an “American Argument”. Nothing to say what you mean by “American” (us, Canada, Argentina?) .
Language has changed all the time, via slang from the poorest, or the slang of the royals and powerful people throughout history.
We don’t say *dyeu anymore, to refer to the sun-god of proto-indo-european times; we say “Zeus”, “deity”, “deva” or “Jupiter” (all come from *dyeu).
So I don’t think the Americans had any say in that. Language and the evolution of language has happened endless times throughout history.
Yes. The stuff of dinner table conversation in the family. My mum did her masters degree on Old English and Old Norse. Dad spoke fluent cockney, english and lowland scots depending on context. Tell me about it.
Between 1400 and 1700, English went through a major vowel shift that changed the way words were pronounced. The pronunciation of Middle English long vowels changed into how we pronounce them today/has affected English worldwide, and well as consotant changes (silent letters come from this, knife used have the k pronounced, and this can actually still be heard in German as well. Kneipe (German for pub/bar), for eg, is pronounced with the k).
Example, in Middle English the word “house” was pronounced hu:s “hoos”. With the Great Vowel Shift it changed to haʊs “howse”.
My favourite pic displaying the evolution. Middle English is still almost parsable, but old english is basically old German haha
Also the change of implication. In middle English, God sets one down in the pasture, King James says God makes one lie in pastures, but Modern has God allows one to lay in the pasture.
And the change of feohland to pasture. I love this stuff so fucking much.
If served on a split long roll it is a hot dog. If you cut the roll horizontally it becomes a sub. Serve three cocktail frankfurts crosswise on a round roll and it is a burger. Sliced and served between two slices of bread it the only way it becomes a sandwich. Unless you then toast it and transform it into a toastie, or toast it in a special press and turn it into a jaffle. All completely different meals.
It’s not a dumpling. Dumplings are not stuffed pastries or stuffed pasta, dumplings are small balls of dough cooked in stew to be eaten with stew.
We don’t called pierogi dumplings either do we?
It’s just the co-opting of a word .
Is a bagel bread or is it a dumpling, eh?
What ignorant people call dumplings are mini pies that are boiled.
Tortellini is fancy pasta.
Words change meaning over time, this is one of them
So what about Chinese dumplings then?
Nothing changed about them, they are still in the dumpling family
I think it’s a modern problem. Bao have traditionally been eaten in soup/stew but a restaurant in Shanghai started calling steamed buns dumplings.
Bao means bag , it’s a reference to filling, but dumpling is a reference to how it’s cooked.
I thought bao means bun. That’s why you only need to say bao otherwise you are saying bun bun.
I’d say bao bao and blow their minds
Edit: saying “bao bun” is equivalent to saying “naan bread” or “chai tea”; it’s basically saying “bread bread” or “tea tea”.
Bao means bun in Cantonese, and bao is a Cantonese food.
That’s a very American argument. Americans, who use Simplified English, used dictionaries as a political tool in the war of independence and still do
They developed a descriptive dictionary so they can say their usage is just as valid 🙄
but the rest of the world, who use Traditional English, use prescriptive dictionaries so we can have agreed upon meanings and usage.
Dumpling is a Chinese word though so I don’t understand your argument
I can promise you that words changing meaning over time is not an “American Argument”. Nothing to say what you mean by “American” (us, Canada, Argentina?) .
Language has changed all the time, via slang from the poorest, or the slang of the royals and powerful people throughout history.
We don’t say *dyeu anymore, to refer to the sun-god of proto-indo-european times; we say “Zeus”, “deity”, “deva” or “Jupiter” (all come from *dyeu).
So I don’t think the Americans had any say in that. Language and the evolution of language has happened endless times throughout history.
Example from Language Jones
https://youtu.be/BFgg-Gy0E2g?si=g4rNnyX7eu1DJx60
That’s the joy of language and language evolution imo. Anyone ever heard of the great vowel shift haha
Yes. The stuff of dinner table conversation in the family. My mum did her masters degree on Old English and Old Norse. Dad spoke fluent cockney, english and lowland scots depending on context. Tell me about it.
Naw. Wish I could invite your Dad to dinner.
More than 20 years too late for that as he passed in 2003. Born in 1911. Still miss him.
Keep talking. I’m learning.
Between 1400 and 1700, English went through a major vowel shift that changed the way words were pronounced. The pronunciation of Middle English long vowels changed into how we pronounce them today/has affected English worldwide, and well as consotant changes (silent letters come from this, knife used have the k pronounced, and this can actually still be heard in German as well. Kneipe (German for pub/bar), for eg, is pronounced with the k).
Example, in Middle English the word “house” was pronounced hu:s “hoos”. With the Great Vowel Shift it changed to haʊs “howse”.
I love Middle English. It can look like gibberish at first, but pretend to be drunk & Scottish 98% of it works. The other words are probably Danish.
My favourite pic displaying the evolution. Middle English is still almost parsable, but old english is basically old German haha
Also the change of implication. In middle English, God sets one down in the pasture, King James says God makes one lie in pastures, but Modern has God allows one to lay in the pasture.
And the change of feohland to pasture. I love this stuff so fucking much.
I love side by side versions like those! (I did send you that book link?) it makes the changes and similarities so obvious 😺 language is fun.
You did send it to me iirc, I haven’t had time to source it but will so after this thread has me on several linguistic rabbit holes haha!
I just checked and it’s saved on my wishlist lol
Definitely check out Language Jones on YT, he’s a linguist and it’s so refreshing to watch someone with such a vast amount of knowledge!
That’s a pretty American argument…
Bruh 😂😂😂💀
Are hot dogs sandwiches then?
I always thought of dumplings as either dough balls, or dough balls stuffed with other things.
If served on a split long roll it is a hot dog. If you cut the roll horizontally it becomes a sub. Serve three cocktail frankfurts crosswise on a round roll and it is a burger. Sliced and served between two slices of bread it the only way it becomes a sandwich. Unless you then toast it and transform it into a toastie, or toast it in a special press and turn it into a jaffle. All completely different meals.
@MeanElevator @Seagoon_
Bread crumbs wrapped in bread crumbs.
A hot dog is basically meat flavoured bread.
Pierogis are also in the dumpling family.
Tortellini is dumpling