I hope we respond by putting tariffs on American pickups. Democratic nations need to cut the US out of the global economy entirely until they learn how to act right.
Apologies if there’s any weirdness in this post, it’s my first one.
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So the question is: what is he trying to distract from now.
I suspect these announcements by Trump are nothing but stock market scams with a whole bunch of insider trading going on.
Trump removed tariffs from Mexico and Canada after a few days. We’ll see what happens with this
He’s put back the 25% tariffs on Canadian steel
He removed them for nothing. He was tricked. Both Canada and Mexico agreed to do things they were already going to do and Trump folded.
they were not removed, they were paused for 30 days, let’s check back in 3 weeks, eh?
USian here. It really didn’t matter - his friendly media repeated the lie that he forced those bad old countries to beef up drug and immigration enforcement via his big strong negotiation style. The fact that it’s nonsense has no bearing on the political reality here, sadly.
there were stock market movements based on what Trump said
people who have insider knowledge would be able to make a lot of money on that
I think we can all do something. I know our economy is tiny, but Australia buys way more from the US than they buy from us… and you know what a big chunk of that is? Services. Some of those are hard to shift but others are easier.
I’ve hosted all my websites and registered all my domains in the US for over 20 years.
That changed yesterday and I’m transferring everything over to Australia.
For Fedi, look at Australian servers where you can. Subscriptions? Fuck off Netflix et al. Get out of Google as much as you can. If you’re here you are probably already out of FB and Reddit, but leave anything else you can that is US based and try to support AU or EU.
Don’t buy US foods, cars, or technology where possible (let’s face it, most of those are crap anyway).
And you know what, most of the US based internet is shit now too. It was fun 20 years ago, but consistent enshittification has been the worst in the US. At least the EU is trying to fight it.
Yes our economy is tiny, but we can change more than you might think, and as the rest of the world probably will do similar, the US won’t be quite as well off as it thinks it is.
A lot of US brands are just relabeled Chinese stuff with a markup. They get us badly on financial, services and IP. I am down to one streaming service and I only have one US based hosting service left which I will be moving to Australian owned hosting soon. My PCs run open source except for games. I will probably keep buying Steam games but it isn’t realistic to totally cut out US business. Things like PayPal and Netflix are easy to do without.
Canadian here. This is exactky what we are doing. Everything we can not to support anything “America”. Welcome to the fuck them club.
As an American, this is wacky to read–but I’m fully in support. What can i say, i think there’s some good ones here but not enough to balance out all the shite ones ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It was a good run, i guess? Lol
I’m sorry for the good ones, but the current actions are a huge threat to democracy worldwide, and while I think the puppet masters expect this response and globalisation is already in the process of collapsing (read The End of the World Is just the Beginning - Mapping the Collapse of Globalisation by Peter Zeihan) we can try and avoid this fate elsewhere. It is NOT inevitable that the tech bros rule us all as serfs, but getting away from Big Tech, means cutting off the US out of our digital lives as much as we can.
Everyone here is ahead of the game 👍
Sorry for the good ones but we have to start thinking about ourselves now more than ever.
Never been on Facebook, just got a lifetime ban from Reddit for being mean to magats. 🤣
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Heyyyyyy welcome to the “being threatened by the USA because Trump felt like it” club!
-EU + Denmark, Canada, Mexico, Colombia, Panama.
It’s an honour to be part of this prestigious and exclusive group! ☺️
I guess trump doesn’t want our rare earths. Us and China hold a duopoly so good luck.
Unless China gets control of our mining companies and then we lose that strategic advantage.
Oh please Albanese, put a 50% tariff on American cars.
We’re talking about Albo here, he’ll apologise and ask if Trump can double it.
Dutton would offer the country to be annexed mind you.
Even the “polite” Canadians fought back - and won. Everyone would when it’s the economy at stake.
Still, no way he’s touching truck prices.
Just American ones. There are multiple non us alternatives.
I hope we respond by putting tariffs on American pickups.
I kinda don’t want this. Because I want those yank tanks taxed and/or regulated regardless, because it’s the right thing to do, and I don’t want progress towards that to be undermined by being seen to get caught up in a bullshit trade war.
I’d actually request more weirdness in future, please.
I’ll see what I can do! 😉
I remember reading that the government was hoping that because we run a trade deficit with the yanks they wouldn’t do this. Look forward to that just being the assumption and the government having done 0 planning.
@spiffmeister
Didn’t we just hand over $800,000,000 for those used submarines we bought on gumtree? I’m sure the yanks are good for it, they said they were our mates, right?
@TheCriticalMemberThe United states can’t be trusted as a trading partner anymore. trump doesn’t even honour his own deals.
What can you really do to prepare for something like this? Specifically against the US which is:
Iron Ore to China: China was the dominant market for Australian iron ore, accounting for around 85% of exports. This amounted to approximately AU$115 billion in value in 2023, with over 736 million tonnes shipped in 2022
vs
Steel to America: United States: Exports of steel to the U.S. were much higher, totaling US$237.51 million in 2023. Key products included flat-rolled and semi-finished steel2.
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-much-iron-ore-and-steel-do-5bWZvTZeRqSNQSlFbu1MBg
I’d like to know more about just how big our steel industry is apart of the exports pie especially compared to iron ore but I suspect we may be blowing this tariff out of proportion
It might be small biccies compared to iron ore to China, but the optics are really bad, and when Australia is included in the tariffs, then psychologically we are siding with Everyone Else in this new US vs Democracy fight. Because that’s what the US (tech bros, who are now in charge) are orchestrating: a direct attack on democracy.
So yes, the numbers are small compared to other countries, but the attack is ideological, and real.
there was absolutely no planning any country can do to survive an insane trade war with the united states. nothing. there’s no other trading partners that can take the exports in the volume every country trades with the US, without taking devastating hits to their own economies, which would see recession and depressions on a scale never experienced before in the modern world.
Our biggest trade partners are japan and china.
We measure trade income from the us in hundred millions, sure. But we measure trade from asia in the billions
“Our biggest trade partners are japan and china. We measure trade income from the us in hundred millions, sure. But we measure trade from asia in the billions”
lol no, Not if you live in Australia In 2023, the United States was our third-largest two-way trading partner in goods and services, worth $98.7 billion. Australia’s goods and services exports to the United States were $33.6 billion. Australia’s total imports from the United States were $65.1 billion. but this is why morons think it’s no big deal just “cut of the US from Global trade”
third-largest
two-way
You know that despite how everything panned out out in Canada. Albo is going to immediately fold and spend his final days in office grovelling.
Dutton will suck the orange right off Trumps cock.
Of course but in the meantime he will hypocritically anyone who’ll listen how pisspoor Albo is
The only problem is you used MSN which is using the Daily Mail as a source? An American source using a UK (garbage dump of a) source to report on Australia? :\
ummmmm, there’s a reason people, companies, and nations want to trade with the united states, it’s because they have the largest economy, with the richest per capital spending power of any place in the world, with 342 million people. no one is “cutting the us out of the global economy” not even countries that trump is about to punish with economy wrecking tariffs, he’ll just tariff you more. this sounds like a good plan, until you run the numbers, and “Cutting the US our of the global economy” reduces every nations ability to trade by 20% - 50%, and that my friends, leads to hundreds of millions of people into destitution and poverty on a scale no one has ever seen before. I mean with one fell swoop Trump did away with USAID and it’s $40 billion dollar foreign aid budget, which in turn cut off tens/hundreds of millions of real live human beings, all across the world, from foreign aid consisting of life sustaining food, clean water, & medication, the death toll will be astronomical. soverign nations like saying they can do without the us, but if you watch closely people are going to start dying from just $40 billion being taken away. that’s a fraction or a fraction of a fraction of the trade monies exchanged with the us.
Uh, look at how quickly the EU began giving Russia the finger after decades of energy dependence. The US is mighty, but everybody and everything is replaceable in 2025
yes, because it had the united states to fall back on, and russia only controlled 3% of their trade centered almost solely in energy and luxury goods
The US is a failed state. We’re going to have to learn to live without it sooner or later. The only reason it has so much influence is because we all made it the centre of the global economy. That’s what needs to change.
ok, but realize what that’s going to cost in the near term, and it’s going to be more painful than any war you’ve ever fought, any fire you’ve ever put out, and any economic downturn your country has ever experienced, up front, and i don’t believe most modern economies want to shoot themselves in the head quite yet, they’ll have to endure humilating trade concessions which will shrink their economies gradually, but they’re not gonna want to pull that rip cord just because they’re a bit miffed
I believe it’s all coming down. Don’t want it, not looking forward to it, but I think our society is definitely in decline.
same. welcome to the party, pal
Yippee ki yay motherfucker! 😉
“Cutting the US our of the global economy” reduces every nations ability to trade by 20% - 50%
Yes, while cutting US ability to trade by 100%. Who’s the most impacted then?
I mean it’s definitely a gambit, all except for those hundreds of millions (billions?) of people who are going to lose their livelihoods around the world, when world trade shrinks by 20% to 50%. I mean, if you think inflicting that much damage on yourselves for “freedom” from American trade is worth the pain of continuing, have at it by all mean, but I don’t think any government anywhere wants to take that hit to their economy, quite yet. You can try to wean your US trade in increments over time, but the US (under Fascists like Trump) will notice it, and start tarriffing what is still traded to made up for the difference. The US is a whole continent economy of 342 million, California alone has a GDP greater than all but 5 entire nations. It’s all fucked under worldenders like Trump, and if he’s not stopped is going to lead to a World Economic Depression worse than any war that has ever been waged.
and it’s all done so the richest in the US can swoop in and buy up the crumbs that are left of US households & the citizens become beholden to them…it’s all a financial coup and it’s going very well so far.
They’ll just beg, and then roll over and ask for more when that doesn’t work
We have to shoot our own feet untill they learn how to walk.
