Well, they didn’t fix the render engine for Outlook and it became the worst platform to build emails for.
I’m thinking a client would be good for someone like the MIL. She needs to have a couple of email addresses and she always forgets the passwords. A client like Thunderbird could put them all in one place
I was mostly joshing about about Outlook. The thing that bugs me with web based email clients is that sometimes they override default webapp user interactions / don’t follow the most basic of common UX.
e.g Scroll click, and ctrl+click. Those two are are critical to how I use the web as someone with “fuck you” amount of screen real estate. Taking things like that away really pisses me off as it’s not me that’s broken. Also Accessibility is an after thought, although I don’t have any disabilities, as a power user sometimes I don’t wanna use a mouse and instead just solely use a keyboard and tab + shortcuts, that’s not really fully feasible without frustration vs. old desktop clients. Plus don’t get me started on specifically emails “back” from search being a different button… The amount of times I just have to re-search for the same thing 😡
Other sites do it too but emails seem to be the worst for it.
For your MIL though, if it’s primarily using passwords that’s the problem then why not just set up LastPass? You’ll then also know that she has a unique strong password for every site as an added security bonus. Tbh I also combine that with just Google’s password manager for stuff I don’t care about
I really really hate the outlook and mail apps on windows. I’m neutral on mail clients in general. Personally, I’m used to PWAs so do everything from my browser or the first party mobile app, but I completely get why people like mail clients
Any Microsoft-owned/created/run mail clients released or redesigned in the last decade or so is always clunky for me. Laggy, clunky, unintuitive, random features vanish, etc etc
Yeah I hate today’s mail desktop clients. Everything got worse with the introduction of “the ribbon” and that becoming the defacto user experience. I use the web clients too and mobile apps but I still don’t like them compared to my old school 2000s “I only want to use a keyboard to solve this most basic of mundane tasks” approach.
Maybe I should build a client for myself, but then that’ll fall into the hundreds of other projects I should start…
You’re making me nostalgic for Outlook 2000 on a desktop.
Why couldn’t they have adopted a if it ain’t broke don’t fix it attitude?..
Well, they didn’t fix the render engine for Outlook and it became the worst platform to build emails for.
I’m thinking a client would be good for someone like the MIL. She needs to have a couple of email addresses and she always forgets the passwords. A client like Thunderbird could put them all in one place
I was mostly joshing about about Outlook. The thing that bugs me with web based email clients is that sometimes they override default webapp user interactions / don’t follow the most basic of common UX. e.g Scroll click, and ctrl+click. Those two are are critical to how I use the web as someone with “fuck you” amount of screen real estate. Taking things like that away really pisses me off as it’s not me that’s broken. Also Accessibility is an after thought, although I don’t have any disabilities, as a power user sometimes I don’t wanna use a mouse and instead just solely use a keyboard and tab + shortcuts, that’s not really fully feasible without frustration vs. old desktop clients. Plus don’t get me started on specifically emails “back” from search being a different button… The amount of times I just have to re-search for the same thing 😡
Other sites do it too but emails seem to be the worst for it.
For your MIL though, if it’s primarily using passwords that’s the problem then why not just set up LastPass? You’ll then also know that she has a unique strong password for every site as an added security bonus. Tbh I also combine that with just Google’s password manager for stuff I don’t care about
I really really hate the outlook and mail apps on windows. I’m neutral on mail clients in general. Personally, I’m used to PWAs so do everything from my browser or the first party mobile app, but I completely get why people like mail clients
Any Microsoft-owned/created/run mail clients released or redesigned in the last decade or so is always clunky for me. Laggy, clunky, unintuitive, random features vanish, etc etc
Yeah I hate today’s mail desktop clients. Everything got worse with the introduction of “the ribbon” and that becoming the defacto user experience. I use the web clients too and mobile apps but I still don’t like them compared to my old school 2000s “I only want to use a keyboard to solve this most basic of mundane tasks” approach.
Maybe I should build a client for myself, but then that’ll fall into the hundreds of other projects I should start…
I don’t think you’re alone in that! I’m sure someone would’ve made a mail client you like as a passion project already!
I’ve only ever used the browser, so I’m too used to it to mind personally
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