Please don’t go Baku. This has the potential to get out of control. I think the organisers have seriously misread Australia’s reputation as being laid back anti-protest people for the most part. Granted that the post-Port Arthur buyback means that nearly all the gun-toting people here are licensed, identifiable and mostly live up the country, but there’s a huge groundswell of people who really really REALLY don’t like guns and gun culture.
Never underestimate the destructive power of the so-called non-violent people. They usually don’t have many stop triggers - have you read Konrad Lorenz’s research back before WWII about what happened when he confined two nice gentle pigeons in a cage? Its brutal.
Lorenz was making the point that wolves and other social ‘aggressive’ species have stop triggers for aggression - if two individuals are in conflict they have ways of defusing violence and avoiding personal harm.
The pigeons do not - their usual species specific reaction to aggression is to fly away, so when confined in the cage one pecks the other to death and keeps on pecking until the dead pigeon is a bloody splat on the cage floor. Because the pigeons don’t have any practiced or instinctual way to stop being violent. So the violence continues long past any possible definition of ‘winning’.
Lorenz’s work and books have been questioned a lot since he did it, but in this specific area, I think he was dead on the money. My gut instinct for this event to avoid it at all costs. Protests are not a spectator sport.
Yep. Fully understand. I did protest publicly during the Franklin campaign way back when, but some of what I saw then chilled me too. And I’m fairly OK with my own personal triggers - I know when I have to back off and keep my cool. I fear those people who get whipped up into a frenzy and lose what little brains they once possessed. Because then there are NO limits to what they will do.
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Please don’t go Baku. This has the potential to get out of control. I think the organisers have seriously misread Australia’s reputation as being laid back anti-protest people for the most part. Granted that the post-Port Arthur buyback means that nearly all the gun-toting people here are licensed, identifiable and mostly live up the country, but there’s a huge groundswell of people who really really REALLY don’t like guns and gun culture.
Never underestimate the destructive power of the so-called non-violent people. They usually don’t have many stop triggers - have you read Konrad Lorenz’s research back before WWII about what happened when he confined two nice gentle pigeons in a cage? Its brutal.
Lorenz was making the point that wolves and other social ‘aggressive’ species have stop triggers for aggression - if two individuals are in conflict they have ways of defusing violence and avoiding personal harm.
The pigeons do not - their usual species specific reaction to aggression is to fly away, so when confined in the cage one pecks the other to death and keeps on pecking until the dead pigeon is a bloody splat on the cage floor. Because the pigeons don’t have any practiced or instinctual way to stop being violent. So the violence continues long past any possible definition of ‘winning’.
Lorenz’s work and books have been questioned a lot since he did it, but in this specific area, I think he was dead on the money. My gut instinct for this event to avoid it at all costs. Protests are not a spectator sport.
I accidently walked thru a protest last year.
A bloke near me yelled out “Kill Them”. And I believe he meant it. I was chilled and got out of there as fast as I could.
I’m glad I don’t work near protest sites. Most of them seem unruly and even worse if two opposing sides clash.
I can really see that happening tomorrow when the pro gun people turn up.
Yep. Fully understand. I did protest publicly during the Franklin campaign way back when, but some of what I saw then chilled me too. And I’m fairly OK with my own personal triggers - I know when I have to back off and keep my cool. I fear those people who get whipped up into a frenzy and lose what little brains they once possessed. Because then there are NO limits to what they will do.
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Nothing wrong with observing from a safe place. Disagree about the majority of people, though. I think we all have the potential.