Exactly what she is alleged to have said hasn’t been revealed anywhere, as far as I know. But I’ve seen people guessing based on her lawyer’s statements that it might be something that’s less offensive in Australia than it is in Britain, where this occurred. “Wog” and “Paki” have been suggested.
wog is extremely audience specific. You trot that in melbs and it’s often nbd because it’s considered by many to be a reclaimed slur by the community. You say that in any other state and it’s considered reason to punch your teeth in.
“paki” reads to some as australian shorthand, of the kind we are renowned for. It’s really fucking not.
Any rate, there is zero good faith reason to use either word when talking to a fucking cop about a taxi fare.
One of my mates is a Wog and we refer to him as that (he also refers to himself as a Wog) all the time. As far as we’re concerned that’s just an alternate word for his nationality and no different from calling an Australian an Aussie.
I’d argue you could totally use “Aussie” as an insult in the right context and it’s the same with Wog… at least where I live.
Honestly until I’d read this post, I hadn’t even considered that Wog might be insulting. And I don’t think I’ve ever even heard the word “Paki” in my life. No idea what it implies to be honest.
The difference between a racial slur and an acceptably shortened country name is a matter of history. “Aussie” should never be seen as a slur because it has never been a commonly used racial insult. Context is important.
I was surprised about “wog” too. I’m a Melburnian and reading some of the comments here just made me realise it could just be a Melbourne thing. A lot of my friends refer to themselves by that term and want us to use it too as a sign of closeness/affection.
I’d never heard Paki in Australia before either.
Really it’s all about intent and intonation. Given what we call close friends and sworn enemies alike ;)
I grew up watching Cricket in the 80’s and “Paki” literally meant a player from Pakistan, like “Pom” for England, “Kiwi” for New Zealand and “Aussie” for Australia. It wasn’t a slur at all. Thanks to the Internet, I am aware that it has a very different connotation in the UK. The term has fallen out of use for obvious reasons, but if I heard someone referring to the Pakistani Cricket team as “Pakis”, I would no assume any malice at all.
That said, Sam Kerr has lived in the UK for long enough that she would be aware this is not appropriate. Ever.
Not that we know what the details are, and this pure speculation isn’t really achieving anything.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply you should just use it at random and it’s acceptable. As with even words like “queer” you should know whether they’re OK with using the term to refer to someone rather than just assume they’re OK with it.
Completely agree. I will admit Australians are terrible at casual racism then when someone gets (rightly) riled up the response is “it was just a joke!” is super common too, which is just doubly insulting.
To be honest, wog is not a term I’m super familiar with. I’ve almost never heard it IRL. I get the impression that it (and the people it refers to) may be more common in NSW and Vic than it is up here in Qld?
So my understanding is that in Australia it refers to southern Europeans—Italians, Greeks, etc. And that it has been substantially reclaimed, in that people to whom the term applies will often identify with it and use it themselves. It may or may not be offensive for someone else to use the term, depending on context.
In the UK, it apparently refers to black and South Asian people, and has not undergone the same reclamation process, so it is much less likely to be contextually acceptable.
It’s like how in America ‘Jap’ is racist, whereas here ‘Nip’ is racist. Both are short hands for the country name Japan/Nihon(Nippon).
Or the British turning Ning-Nong/Nig-Nog into their version of the n word because some politician used it as such in the 60s or something, whereas here we shortened it to nong and it’s kept its original meaning of a foolish person.
It’s the cultural history behind the words that make them racist and just because we speak dialects of English doesn’t mean our words have followed the same trajectories.
Exactly what she is alleged to have said hasn’t been revealed anywhere, as far as I know. But I’ve seen people guessing based on her lawyer’s statements that it might be something that’s less offensive in Australia than it is in Britain, where this occurred. “Wog” and “Paki” have been suggested.
People are saying ‘wog’ and ‘paki’ are less offensive in Australia?
wog is extremely audience specific. You trot that in melbs and it’s often nbd because it’s considered by many to be a reclaimed slur by the community. You say that in any other state and it’s considered reason to punch your teeth in.
“paki” reads to some as australian shorthand, of the kind we are renowned for. It’s really fucking not.
Any rate, there is zero good faith reason to use either word when talking to a fucking cop about a taxi fare.
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One of my mates is a Wog and we refer to him as that (he also refers to himself as a Wog) all the time. As far as we’re concerned that’s just an alternate word for his nationality and no different from calling an Australian an Aussie.
I’d argue you could totally use “Aussie” as an insult in the right context and it’s the same with Wog… at least where I live.
Honestly until I’d read this post, I hadn’t even considered that Wog might be insulting. And I don’t think I’ve ever even heard the word “Paki” in my life. No idea what it implies to be honest.
The difference between a racial slur and an acceptably shortened country name is a matter of history. “Aussie” should never be seen as a slur because it has never been a commonly used racial insult. Context is important.
I was surprised about “wog” too. I’m a Melburnian and reading some of the comments here just made me realise it could just be a Melbourne thing. A lot of my friends refer to themselves by that term and want us to use it too as a sign of closeness/affection.
I’d never heard Paki in Australia before either.
Really it’s all about intent and intonation. Given what we call close friends and sworn enemies alike ;)
I grew up watching Cricket in the 80’s and “Paki” literally meant a player from Pakistan, like “Pom” for England, “Kiwi” for New Zealand and “Aussie” for Australia. It wasn’t a slur at all. Thanks to the Internet, I am aware that it has a very different connotation in the UK. The term has fallen out of use for obvious reasons, but if I heard someone referring to the Pakistani Cricket team as “Pakis”, I would no assume any malice at all.
That said, Sam Kerr has lived in the UK for long enough that she would be aware this is not appropriate. Ever.
Not that we know what the details are, and this pure speculation isn’t really achieving anything.
To be honest I don’t follow any sports at all, was just curious about what was going on. But you’re right, speculation doesn’t help anyone.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply you should just use it at random and it’s acceptable. As with even words like “queer” you should know whether they’re OK with using the term to refer to someone rather than just assume they’re OK with it.
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Completely agree. I will admit Australians are terrible at casual racism then when someone gets (rightly) riled up the response is “it was just a joke!” is super common too, which is just doubly insulting.
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To be honest, wog is not a term I’m super familiar with. I’ve almost never heard it IRL. I get the impression that it (and the people it refers to) may be more common in NSW and Vic than it is up here in Qld?
So my understanding is that in Australia it refers to southern Europeans—Italians, Greeks, etc. And that it has been substantially reclaimed, in that people to whom the term applies will often identify with it and use it themselves. It may or may not be offensive for someone else to use the term, depending on context.
In the UK, it apparently refers to black and South Asian people, and has not undergone the same reclamation process, so it is much less likely to be contextually acceptable.
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Why would Paki be racist here?
It’s like how in America ‘Jap’ is racist, whereas here ‘Nip’ is racist. Both are short hands for the country name Japan/Nihon(Nippon).
Or the British turning Ning-Nong/Nig-Nog into their version of the n word because some politician used it as such in the 60s or something, whereas here we shortened it to nong and it’s kept its original meaning of a foolish person.
It’s the cultural history behind the words that make them racist and just because we speak dialects of English doesn’t mean our words have followed the same trajectories.