It could, but beaches aren’t roads. What if someone was sunbaking or laying on the sand in an area they thought was safe? Are they allowed to be.run over because they weren’t keeping a close eye on every vehicle movement in the vicinity?
In my experience, vehicles don’t stick to any one particular “lane” on a beach so allowing them to use it as a road means the beach is now entirely unusable for anyone who is not in a vehicle.
You shouldn’t have to post a guard to ensure a member of your family is able to enjoy a beach without fear of someone in a vehicle killing them.
Too lazy; didn’t research. In Australia, 4×4 beaches are recognised as roads. All road rules apply, speed limits are signed. You even have to deal with planes when driving through an airport. Yep, beaches also have designated airports with regular traffic and they function exactly the same too.
99% of the east coast to go to, but if the idea of your toddler being unsupervised in road and air traffic sounds fun to you, there’s maps. And you’ll see all the warning signage that’ll let you know you’re at the right spot. Plus all the traffic. If you really want to step up the fun, walk past the 40kph road signs to the 80kph ones. Orange beacons mean you’re on an airsyrip, great sunbathing spot. It’s your right.
You picking 25,700km of east AU coastline to roll out your towel and let the kiddos run around…
I don’t care if beaches are roads. My point is that beaches should not be roads.
I was over on Moreton Island recently and walking south of the resort. Didn’t see any of your claimed warning signage. Just utes and 4wds tearing the shit out of the beach from the water line up to where the trees start. A beautiful beach in a beautiful spot away from all the crowds but I’ve got to be watching my kids like a hawk to make sure some idiot doesn’t kill one of them and then try to blame me for daring to walk with my kids down to the sand dunes.
I don’t care if it’s legal, it shouldn’t be. Why does everything have to be turned into yet more space exclusively for vehicles. Especially pristine beaches.
There are very few beaches you can go to where vehicles are also allowed. Your interests are not exclusively reign to all of them over other people’s interests. You literally have hundreds of other options, most of them better. Learn to accept other people and the things they enjoy and you need but share just a bit with them is all. if you can’t tolerate others, just don’t go there. They’re tolerating you and your kids without complaint.
The Australian coastline is not yours and not everyone is you.
I’d also advise that if you’re going to one of the nation’s most iconic 4×4 locations that is 95% only accessible by 4×4s, don’t be upset if you see 4×4s there and suddenly have to parent. That’s entirely your decision, your situation, your issue. I don’t go to Perisher and get upset there’s skiiers hooning down.
@mupAus@saltesc That’s the issue: every continent has rednecks or whatever you call them who think it’s “fun” to get in a 4-wheel vehicle, burn up gasoline, spread fumes, tear up habitat, leave refuse and call themselves “outdoor folk”. Wheee-ha!
Stopping them requires re-education, legislation and perhaps barbed wire. Yet the people that Trump appeals to call this “freedom”.
Most 4wders on K’Gari and other Sand-based highways in Australia are travelling between locations as part of a journey to another location.
While there are the dickheads out there that do tear up the beaches, they are subject to the same restrictions and laws as dickheads who drive illegally on bitumen on highways and in industrial estates.
It is tragic that anyone was injured an on a K’Gari beach. We don’t know the full details on what happened, it could be a child that was in an unsafe location, it could have been a driver in an inappropriate location, it could have just been a freak accident.
I do hope that the result will be improved public awareness of which beaches are safe and legal to drive on, which beaches are suitable for swimming and which beaches are too dangerous for anyone.
If you are controlling machinery, and you fail to observe potential hazards and account for them, you are negligent.
If the speed limit is a hundred gazillion but you can’t see enough to be able to stop for someone you are being homicidally reckless. It’s a limit not a target.
But to return back to something relevant; Yes. Controlling machinery does, in a way, imply controlling it. Very astute. This is why it’s fine to play in traffic without supervision, everyone’s in control.
On a less sarcastic note, I hope y’all aren’t procreating. Or babysitting. Or even have a pet goldfish.
Hey so if I’m holding a drill on a build site, and a kid is there for whatever reason, and I walk up to them and drill through their leg at low speed what am I?
Yes, because drivers shouldn’t be held responsible for killing/ harming people with their vehicles on a fucking beach.
Who said anything remotely like that?
I’m saying the incident could happen anywhere with lack of supervision.
It could, but beaches aren’t roads. What if someone was sunbaking or laying on the sand in an area they thought was safe? Are they allowed to be.run over because they weren’t keeping a close eye on every vehicle movement in the vicinity?
In my experience, vehicles don’t stick to any one particular “lane” on a beach so allowing them to use it as a road means the beach is now entirely unusable for anyone who is not in a vehicle.
You shouldn’t have to post a guard to ensure a member of your family is able to enjoy a beach without fear of someone in a vehicle killing them.
The language you’re using is just ridiculous.
You need to do some basic research.
Too lazy; didn’t research. In Australia, 4×4 beaches are recognised as roads. All road rules apply, speed limits are signed. You even have to deal with planes when driving through an airport. Yep, beaches also have designated airports with regular traffic and they function exactly the same too.
99% of the east coast to go to, but if the idea of your toddler being unsupervised in road and air traffic sounds fun to you, there’s maps. And you’ll see all the warning signage that’ll let you know you’re at the right spot. Plus all the traffic. If you really want to step up the fun, walk past the 40kph road signs to the 80kph ones. Orange beacons mean you’re on an airsyrip, great sunbathing spot. It’s your right.
You picking 25,700km of east AU coastline to roll out your towel and let the kiddos run around…
Nah, I’m good.
I don’t care if beaches are roads. My point is that beaches should not be roads.
I was over on Moreton Island recently and walking south of the resort. Didn’t see any of your claimed warning signage. Just utes and 4wds tearing the shit out of the beach from the water line up to where the trees start. A beautiful beach in a beautiful spot away from all the crowds but I’ve got to be watching my kids like a hawk to make sure some idiot doesn’t kill one of them and then try to blame me for daring to walk with my kids down to the sand dunes.
I don’t care if it’s legal, it shouldn’t be. Why does everything have to be turned into yet more space exclusively for vehicles. Especially pristine beaches.
There are very few beaches you can go to where vehicles are also allowed. Your interests are not exclusively reign to all of them over other people’s interests. You literally have hundreds of other options, most of them better. Learn to accept other people and the things they enjoy and you need but share just a bit with them is all. if you can’t tolerate others, just don’t go there. They’re tolerating you and your kids without complaint.
The Australian coastline is not yours and not everyone is you.
I’d also advise that if you’re going to one of the nation’s most iconic 4×4 locations that is 95% only accessible by 4×4s, don’t be upset if you see 4×4s there and suddenly have to parent. That’s entirely your decision, your situation, your issue. I don’t go to Perisher and get upset there’s skiiers hooning down.
@mupAus @saltesc That’s the issue: every continent has rednecks or whatever you call them who think it’s “fun” to get in a 4-wheel vehicle, burn up gasoline, spread fumes, tear up habitat, leave refuse and call themselves “outdoor folk”. Wheee-ha!
Stopping them requires re-education, legislation and perhaps barbed wire. Yet the people that Trump appeals to call this “freedom”.
Most 4wders on K’Gari and other Sand-based highways in Australia are travelling between locations as part of a journey to another location.
While there are the dickheads out there that do tear up the beaches, they are subject to the same restrictions and laws as dickheads who drive illegally on bitumen on highways and in industrial estates.
It is tragic that anyone was injured an on a K’Gari beach. We don’t know the full details on what happened, it could be a child that was in an unsafe location, it could have been a driver in an inappropriate location, it could have just been a freak accident. I do hope that the result will be improved public awareness of which beaches are safe and legal to drive on, which beaches are suitable for swimming and which beaches are too dangerous for anyone.
If you are controlling machinery, and you fail to observe potential hazards and account for them, you are negligent.
If the speed limit is a hundred gazillion but you can’t see enough to be able to stop for someone you are being homicidally reckless. It’s a limit not a target.
But to return back to something relevant; Yes. Controlling machinery does, in a way, imply controlling it. Very astute. This is why it’s fine to play in traffic without supervision, everyone’s in control.
On a less sarcastic note, I hope y’all aren’t procreating. Or babysitting. Or even have a pet goldfish.
Hey so if I’m holding a drill on a build site, and a kid is there for whatever reason, and I walk up to them and drill through their leg at low speed what am I?
Are you for real that analogy?
You’re effectively saying the driver knew the child was there and intentionally drove over them.
A weird person actively seeking out children to harm them.
Do you have a point here or was that it? Do we need to call the police?
why is it different if I’m in a car on a road?