• NotErisma [they/them, any]@hexbear.net
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    Dont these kind of people realize it would be (just as) easy to control and survey everyone’s movements if they drove in cars?

    >Everyone's forced to register their vehicles with insurers and the state

    >Everyone's forced to ride the same roads

    >Those very roads are bursting with cops and surveillance technologies

    >Even your own car is packed with surveillance technologies

    >Lifetime subscription to consume oil and auto loans packaged as "personal freedom"

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    Isn’t it more dystopian to be forced to own a car? Mf most Americans are coerced into paying ridiculous amounts of money just to be able to get anywhere!

    “The government wants to trap us in 15 minute zones” I say from my gated suburban neighborhood that I couldn’t survive in if my car broke down or got repossessed because I defaulted on my loan

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      Isn’t it more dystopian to be forced to own a car?

      no, something can’t be dystopian if middle class americans already do it, that just means its normal. and coercion is when someone is pointing a gun at you - economic coercion, material conditions? never heard of them.

      neoliberalism has become pure self-replicating ideology, nothing real required

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      Also I grew up in a small town where it was over an hour walk or a 20 minute bike ride to the grocery store. I used to bike to school (which took half an hour) and was almost hit a few times. There’s no sidewalks in most the town either

      In my current city, I’m a 2 min walk to the bus stop, a 5 min walk to the grocery store and a 10 min walk to the train station. If I feel like I might be late for something I’ll bring my skateboard and turn 10 minutes into 4. Kinda feels like more freedom to me

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      no you see because cars are freedom. how are you supposed to make the 50km trip to the wholesale warehouse without a V8 Annihilator SUV with HAZ MAT suspension? its impossible.

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      Propaganda shat out by oil industry lobbyists after they calculated 15 minute cities would cause their profit growth to drop by 0.1% because people would end up buying less gas because they’re walking/biking more and driving less. Naturally frothingfash believe it uncritically just like anything else fascist media tells them to get mad about.

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    You might think your delusional utopian fantasy of “food near home” sounds cool, but what will you do when they start making you put poop in your hair huh? What about the people without hair? What will they do?

    You fucking tankies never think anything through

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      My mother too! It sucks.

      Seriously, I hate that she can’t stop talking about this and similar bullshit. I’m avoiding conversations with her now because of this and it makes me feel like a bad son.

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      This is right up there with the “eat bug live in pod” meme.

      These kind of memes are extremely disgusting because it brings to light a very apparent and real issue (the collapse of material conditions largely caused by ecological decline brought on by capitalism) but then shifts the scope of blame from the actual perpetrators (the ghouls in power) to marginalized groups.

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      it’s different sectors of capitalists pitching fits at one another is how I’ve interpreted it

      Some types of financial ghouls want to make money from real estate or something, so some of them have proposed better urban planning, then some other sector of capitalist ghouls (probably oil or cars or manufacturing or something) have a propaganda war against them

      it’s all capitalists fighting each other and we’re stuck in it

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        As far as my observation goes, citizens are a big part of the push for 15 min cities because it would increase their quality of life tenfold. Of course there’s always ghouls lurking to make profit, who’ll jump on everything they deem profitable, but they aren’t the biggest proponents of 15 min cities.

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    This already happens to non white people who dont have cars, they’re called “loitering laws”.

    But- im just gonna let them indulge themselves with the “im a big brain becos I just whipped up a gotchta” only because of how pathetic it makes them look.

        • But outside in THEIR yard! Stay in the grass cube, kids! Don’t you dare go into stores in groups larger than 2. Don’t you dare stand in one spot on a sidewalk for longer than 10 minutes. Don’t you dare be outside past 6 pm. Don’t you dare go near any parked cars. Don’t you dare speak so loud I can hear you over my TV.

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        Yeah I actually remember when I was like 11 there was a local convenience store we went to buy candy at sometimes, me and my group of all white friends, and one of the owners would always creepily follow us because we were kids and kids steal I guess. Obviously this happens WAY more to black people lol but I do actually have an experience like that.