Three climate activists have been fined for attempting to spray political messages on Woodside boss Meg O'Neill's home, after a Perth magistrate told the trio they had crossed a line by targeting her personally.
would you be ok with people counter protesting at the houses of these protesters?
No? That’s an insane false equivalency. They are not public figures by virtue of being the CEO of multibillion dollar public companies.
It’s fascinating to see how high the concern is but this is like the house being on fire and you’re running around freaking out trying to throw water on a piece of paper that happens to be nearby.
What’s your proposed solution then? We just…don’t do anything? We don’t worry about it? Not our problem?
Other countries use the lack of action by rich western nations as an excuse to not act themselves. Not to mention the amount of emissions that result from all the fossil fuels that we export to them. That’s all reflected on other countries on that graph, not against us. But it’s something we could do something about. And before you excuse it by saying “they’d buy it somewhere else”, maybe. But basic supply and demand dictates that the price would go way up if one of the two largest exporters of coal were to cease those exports, providing more incentive for other countries to switch to cleaner methods.
But anyway, that graph is highly misleading. We’re a country of 26 million people. But those 26 million use way more than their fair share of carbon dioxide. Here’s a better graph, using the same basic data source and showing the same countries.
imo the best course of action is to continue to reduce our own reliance on fossil fuels, far more subsidises for heat pumps/solar batteries (especially heat pumps in Victoria to get rid of gas reliance) and far more investment in renewables
All great ideas. Not sure what it is that you’re actually opposed to, in that case.
There has been no suggestion that these protestors were practicing, or threatening anything near vigilantism or lynching. Ot was a protest, that inder the law, crossed into intent to do criminal damage. Its probably an exorbitant description to align with the protestors.
There has been no suggestion that these protestors were practicing, or threatening anything near vigilantism or lynching
with these protesters yeah
The Disrupt Burrup Hub group members had planned to splash paint on the garage of her home, while Lane-Rose was to use a bike lock to secure herself to a gate.
They’re probably vegan and about as aggressive as a dimmer switch but not everyone will be, think about if Nazi’s decide it’s now cool to start targeting left wing business owners at their own personal homes, will they stop at just paint or take it further?
Imagine these lovely fellas show up to your house:
We’ve had decades of inaction on the back of nice friendly sign-holding. Our politicians and the uber-wealthy like O’Neill have kept destroying the planet regardless.
If they have their property damaged or their access inconvenienced, too fucking bad. That’s about the least they deserve. You won’t find any pity from me.
My only question, does this level of violence extend towards regular people as well?
Eg. people who go out and buy the heaviest co2 emitting yank tank they can? what about people who are using the gas the company produces to heat their hot water and can go electric but choose not to?
I’s never arguing the legality of the paint, handcuffs or the protestors. I think the Judges decision was quite fair.
I’s arguing the lack of accountability that we have when we don our ‘employee’ hats and whether thats more damaging to the public good than we have considered to date.
The language adopted around Meg O’Niel as a meer CEO, an employee of the company, therefore direct your anger at the company your perceive to be doing wrong.
But this accepted and legal separation removes so many of us from the full responsibilities of our actions. And in this case the decisions Meg O’Neil makes are an exemplary example of this. Where her actions can have huge negative consequences, but the convention is to blame the company not the person. My problem is the company is made up of people, and in that heirarchy the CEO is functionally top.
By targetting her in her personal life, the protestors have implicitly rejected the hard separation between personal and professional lives. They probably haven’t realised this themselves.
No? That’s an insane false equivalency. They are not public figures by virtue of being the CEO of multibillion dollar public companies.
What’s your proposed solution then? We just…don’t do anything? We don’t worry about it? Not our problem?
Other countries use the lack of action by rich western nations as an excuse to not act themselves. Not to mention the amount of emissions that result from all the fossil fuels that we export to them. That’s all reflected on other countries on that graph, not against us. But it’s something we could do something about. And before you excuse it by saying “they’d buy it somewhere else”, maybe. But basic supply and demand dictates that the price would go way up if one of the two largest exporters of coal were to cease those exports, providing more incentive for other countries to switch to cleaner methods.
But anyway, that graph is highly misleading. We’re a country of 26 million people. But those 26 million use way more than their fair share of carbon dioxide. Here’s a better graph, using the same basic data source and showing the same countries.
All great ideas. Not sure what it is that you’re actually opposed to, in that case.
Well now they are public figures by virtue of being prats
There’s a reason we don’t do vigilantism and lynching anymore
There has been no suggestion that these protestors were practicing, or threatening anything near vigilantism or lynching. Ot was a protest, that inder the law, crossed into intent to do criminal damage. Its probably an exorbitant description to align with the protestors.
with these protesters yeah
They’re probably vegan and about as aggressive as a dimmer switch but not everyone will be, think about if Nazi’s decide it’s now cool to start targeting left wing business owners at their own personal homes, will they stop at just paint or take it further?
Imagine these lovely fellas show up to your house:
Hundreds swarm LGBTQI protesters at MP Mark Latham’s event in Sydney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTj5YhJC5s
No ty
We’ve had decades of inaction on the back of nice friendly sign-holding. Our politicians and the uber-wealthy like O’Neill have kept destroying the planet regardless.
If they have their property damaged or their access inconvenienced, too fucking bad. That’s about the least they deserve. You won’t find any pity from me.
My only question, does this level of violence extend towards regular people as well?
Eg. people who go out and buy the heaviest co2 emitting yank tank they can? what about people who are using the gas the company produces to heat their hot water and can go electric but choose not to?
Where is your line drawn?
I’s never arguing the legality of the paint, handcuffs or the protestors. I think the Judges decision was quite fair.
I’s arguing the lack of accountability that we have when we don our ‘employee’ hats and whether thats more damaging to the public good than we have considered to date.
The language adopted around Meg O’Niel as a meer CEO, an employee of the company, therefore direct your anger at the company your perceive to be doing wrong.
But this accepted and legal separation removes so many of us from the full responsibilities of our actions. And in this case the decisions Meg O’Neil makes are an exemplary example of this. Where her actions can have huge negative consequences, but the convention is to blame the company not the person. My problem is the company is made up of people, and in that heirarchy the CEO is functionally top.
By targetting her in her personal life, the protestors have implicitly rejected the hard separation between personal and professional lives. They probably haven’t realised this themselves.
I don’t know, i hope i’ve made myself clearer.
Ah yeah I get ya, I can see a bit of a link between what you’re saying and the old excuse “I was only following orders”
Yep, thats it. Thats where i’m at with it.