I voted for her. The Democrats are still at fault.
Yep, fuck the non voters for their ignorance, fuck the Dems for being a lesser evil in the first place.
Absolutely. It’s a two way street here.
People need to stop turning on each other though. What’s done is done. The left has always been divided but right now we really need to start pulling ourselves together.
Ah yes, a perfect example of what OP was talking about. Good work finding it so we can point and laugh at the people that keep looking for someone to blame for their own choices.
Yeah, and your comment is a great example of the Democrats 2024 outreach strategy: a smug, self-righteous attitude that failed to get you any votes.
Doesn’t make that person wrong. If you need to be properly reached to keep yourself from voting for sweet potato Hitler, I’m sorry but you only have yourself to blame
Did the commenter say they voted for Trump?
The people who voted for Trump over Kamala are not the leftists on lemmy. I’ve actually only seen one or two people say that they’re going to vote for Trump for some leftist reason. The majority of people said they would vote for her anyway, and a minority of people said they were abstaining.
You sound really foolish mischaracterizing your opponents. The democratic party failed. Kamala Harris failed. There was no sabotage. She campaigned a conservative platform of military, border control, unwavering support for Israel and said she was going to maintain the status quo. When asked what she would do differently from Biden her gut response was “nothing”. It was a spectacular failure and highlights every single way that the democratic party has entirely lost touch with reality.
Cost of living has tripled in the last 4 years. Now try telling white working class straight people who weren’t living paycheck to paycheck 4 years ago that you’re going to do everything the same as the guy that came before you. The same guy who broke up the rail workers strikes. No, us trying to explain fascism or project 2025 to them did literally nothing. They don’t understand it and don’t care. They know that their financial situation got worse and that the democratic candidate said they wouldn’t change anything. That’s all they understood. They don’t know what’s fact or what’s fiction, and they think Trump is a brilliant businessman. It doesn’t matter that he’s not if they all think he is.
The DNC failed. Stop trying to defend them for God’s sake. How are they ever going to actually pose a challenge to far right populism or fascism if you relentlessly defend them from all criticism?
Woah chief, I’m not defending anybody and I didn’t ask who anybody voted for. If you can read then you see what I said is exactly what I meant: if you voted for sweet potato Hitler you only have urself to blame, not the democrats. And if you need someone to “reach you” properly in order to not vote for sweet potato Hitler you only have yourself to blame
The democrats fucked this up big time, but I’m not going to blame them for the fact that people are too stupid to not vote for the end of our way of life. That’s a personal responsibility that 70 million Americans failed at
It sounds like you just don’t understand how politics works.
If you cannot persuade the low information voters, you are failing as a politician. The Democrats, if you believe they wanted to win this, spectacularly failed at the most intrinsic of requirements as a politician: to win over the dullest spoons in the drawer. Society is largely dull spoons. This is the job.
I have seen nothing in the lead up, nor since their catastrophic loss that indicates that Biden, or Harris actually wanted to win. To the contrary, they look happier than they have been in months.
I read that sweet potato line as implying that the commenter themselves had voted for him, my bad.
I do agree that every human being has a duty to not vote for Hitler. I mean, that was supposed to be the point of the post world War 2 Western education system. Didn’t work out for a lot of reasons.
But I also believe that many people don’t understand what “voting for Hitler” even means or that Trump poses a threat to them. They don’t understand politics. They don’t understand the way the capitalist economic system functions. They think of it as some ethereal force that gets worse when you control it and gets better when you don’t. They think rich people are brilliant geniuses who have divine knowledge of the economy that allowed them to become so rich. They don’t get it. The political strategy of progressives has to account for that. The democratic party isn’t a party of progressives. It’s a party with a minority of progressives in it, but beyond them, it is the party of the status quo. The status quo has gotten worse, that much people do understand. And they chose the guy who said he was going to change it. He said he’ll fix it and they believed him.
And if you’re a politician and people don’t vote for you, you have no one but yourself to blame. I wish Harris hadn’t run a dogshit campaign, but she did, and I’m not gonna blame voters because she was bad at her job.
You’re entitled to your opinion but I’ll readily blame people who vote for a wannabe facist dictator
People are responsible for their own votes
You can go ahead and blame them, but apparently they heavily outnumber you so I’d get the fuck out of the way if I were you.
Oh, you mean you’ll blame them on lemmy and never associate yourself with one of them in the real world because you live in a nation split into echo chambers. Cool. Cool cool cool. I’m sure that helps.
Yes you should have voted for Kamala and yes it’s the Democrats at fault. Both are true.
If you voted it’s the Democrats fault. If you didn’t vote it’s your fault.
And the DNCs fault.
ITT Americans trying to justify their apathy at allowing bigotry to rule.
The rest of us across the world are all just aghast at all of you and your lack of duty and never wanting to take personal responsibility.
This. I wish the Democrats would take some responsibility for their choices. But they won’t. Morons.
Eat shit. I did everything I could to raise awareness. I campaigned, I went to places to talk to people in my community. I used proof, even videos of him saying the evil, vile shit that he said. Our community stayed dem, while our state stayed right. Theres only so much you can do when indoctrination and propaganda rule. You can piss in a bowl and freeze it, then put it in your lemonade you fuck-whit. You have no idea how much some of us tried. Fuck you.
lol. did you tell harris to fuck off on genocide? to fuck off on supporting corporate power? no? did you force harris to give people any reason to vote for her besides not trump? go look at her site again, read her actual policies. outside of the tax policy not a single one was going to do shit for working amercians. and the tax policy in no way compensates for inflation over the last 4 years. Would some of initiatives from the biden admin been nice tocontinue? like keeping khan in the FTC? yup! but every signal harris gave off was no, we wont be doing that anymore.
I dont ask you this to place blame on you personally. I’m doing it so you realize that it doesn’t matter who trump is. it matters who is actually running on the democratic ticket. if the difference between the candidates is basically a rainbow lapel on their shirt its not going to get people out to support her.
stop 1) blaming people who didnt show up, 2) dont take the blame personally for harris’, bidens, and the dnc’s failings.
move on, work locally to find better candidates for your community.
If you had actually accomplished any of the deeds you claim, you never would have gotten all butthurt, realizing OP was addressing the people who did nothing but create voter apathy.
The fact that you did get butthurt, says everything.
No, they acted like nobody did anything. Some of us did everything we could. And fuck you for acting like we didn’t do enough. What did you do? “Meh I posted memes on FB and argued with tankies.” Fuck you too.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think anyone who is trying to discuss the election with you in good faith paints you as just another MAGA American. We know some Americans faught tooth and nail to stop this. Now you could be lying just as easily as you could be telling the truth, although I have no reason to think you are lying. So assuming you’re telling the truth, as crushing as a second Trump presidency is for me, someone who doesn’t live in the US, who literally can’t do anything about him, it must be so much more worse for you.
I know you’re tired but your fight against fascism is just beginning, it’s far from over. I hope you can find the strength to keep going. As an outsider all I can do is tell you that some of us see you and know that you’re not well right now. Gandalf put it best;
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Thanks for the uplifting words kind stranger.
Two things can be true at once.
Everyone who didn’t vote, voted third party or for Trump, or encouraged others to do the same, supported fascism coming into power in this country.
Harris failed her country when it needed her, specifically, most; and the Dem leadership in general failed the country grotesquely in the same manner.
Absolutely!
By your incompetence combined, we are a fascist nation!
Fuck.
Captain Planet: uh, why did you vote IN all of the people I’ve been catching and stopping?
They were convinced he was becoming the Don Cheadle version.
a) Don Cheadle is awesome
b) No capitalist would support even this version. Free human trees? Where’s the surplus value to exploit? Have you not considered next quarter’s EPS?
“I can’t just run on not being the other guy? I actually have to articulate a platform and get people to like me???”
Add the /s
They’re both right. If you didn’t vote for Harris, you were incredibly misguided. But it’s not my job to get Harris elected, it’s the DNC’s.
It’s everyone’s job to fight a fascist takeover, though. Election subversion is part of the playbook.
The Republicans didn’t create the democratic campaign. Fighting fascism is everyone’s job but that job would’ve been much easier if the alternative didn’t run on “we’re not as bad a Trump”.
It’s worse than that - this election was a major win for billionaires, the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket and the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket. The difference in the candidates is a reflection of the range of preferences within the billionaire class. That’s why we can’t get exciting progressive candidates. That’s also why we see so many articles blaming voters or blaming a side - the division keeps people focused elsewhere. Billionaire-owned and managed media (propaganda) keeps them out of the spotlight. Kamala was the far better candidate but she lost because the more hateful of the billionaires put their funds into setting up a false choice (a vote either way is a vote for the billionaires) and then poured on the gas to get the other guy in office.
the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket are the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket.
This is how a corporatocracy always wins. Welcome to America.
Oh we’re not even waiting until 2028 to start up the infighting again. How fun. At least we’ll have something to discuss while in line for the showers.
It’s amazing how we get convinced to fight each other. The reason the orange felon got elected is that people voted for him. They are at fault that he got elected. Stop bickering amongst each other and call out those who would incite you to do so!
It may cost a lot of lives, but at least you got your moral high ground. Must be nice having the mental age of a 5yo and be content.
Why are y’all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote?
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
that doesn’t absolve the electorate from failing to rally behind a candidate that was the best choice to stop a NAZI REGIME from taking power.
if you didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, you’re no better than magats.
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote
I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
Should the DNC have put forward a candidate that was fairly selected with grass roots support among the wider voting population?
No, it’s the voters who are at fault.
do you think there was enough time?
use your fucking brain.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
when it actually mattered 20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy. full stop.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first?
Nevermind, you just want to blame the fire dept from not showing up faster.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor.
No, I’m pretty sure it was the people who refused to vote. All 20 million of them failed to identify the obvious threat to our democracy and react accordingly.
There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them.
Spoken like a true extremist. Now, the sad thing is, I never considered myself a Democrat. I was something of a hybrid between leftist and Democrat. After this election though, I’m neither. Now I’m an anti-extremist, extremist. And I know I’m not the only one.
Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
We all know that’s a lie. 20 million votes to Harris would have swung it greatly in her favor.
But that’s fine. You keep lying, and I’ll keep hating extremists.
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair
If your candidate loses, its the voters fault. If my candidate loses, its the candidates fault.
if orange is black and black is spaghetti, Halloween is 16 inches away.
see, I can make nonsensical arguments too.
There’s a perverse bunch here on lemmy that are blaming the Democrat Party for their failure to vote. They justify it by essentially saying that because they weren’t catered to (being further left than centrist platform Harris ran) that it’s the democrat’s fault we got trump. That’s some republican-level victim shit. “We did the opposite of what we should and things didn’t get better!”
No, motherfucker, you sat this one out in a battleground state so we got a fascist and that’s better than Harris? WTF kind of logic is that?
So if after his term ends Trump doesn’t remain in power, will you just shoot yourself? Or how do you plan to prevent people from having to listen to your half-assed doomer opinions?
Yeah, he’s a fucking idiot and he never should’ve won. Says a lot about the democratic party that they got beaten by a fucking idiot.
Maybe in the future own your mistakes instead of fearmongering, idk, just a thought.
Or, it says a lot about the intentions of each and every person that either voted for him, or didn’t vote.
“It’s Alice’s fault for not reminding Bob to pay the heating bill”. And I do mean reminding - as in an extremely obvious thing.
Isn’t it more like Alice’s fault for making Bob choose between paying the heating bill and the water bill, especially when someone from Alice’s department wanted to implement free heating and water for all consumers, Bob fucking included? Is it that hard to see how the corruption in Alice’s place of work is so goddamn disgusting that even Alice fans aren’t coming out to support her?
Jesus fucking christ. Never own up to your mistakes. Never admit your candidate was weak. Never admit your candidate is tied to corporate interests just as much as the other dumb fuck who won. Nooo, you have to seem squeaky clean. And then you wonder why people who see through that shit can’t be bothered to go vote.
Have some ownership and implement some reforms to turn your corporate-tied party around or die crying. Y’all keep wondering why voters see two shades of brown, and they don’t hurry to choose to eat shit from you instead of the other asshole.
It’s so fun to blame one single group for a national failure. It’s fun, but it just doesn’t make any sense.
The sad thing is that we all predicted this blame game would occur. And you can use almost the same words and almost the same reasons and blame a different group, and it sounds about as convincing.
