Yes you should have voted for Kamala and yes it’s the Democrats at fault. Both are true.
If you voted it’s the Democrats fault. If you didn’t vote it’s your fault.
And the DNCs fault.
ITT Americans trying to justify their apathy at allowing bigotry to rule.
The rest of us across the world are all just aghast at all of you and your lack of duty and never wanting to take personal responsibility.
This. I wish the Democrats would take some responsibility for their choices. But they won’t. Morons.
Eat shit. I did everything I could to raise awareness. I campaigned, I went to places to talk to people in my community. I used proof, even videos of him saying the evil, vile shit that he said. Our community stayed dem, while our state stayed right. Theres only so much you can do when indoctrination and propaganda rule. You can piss in a bowl and freeze it, then put it in your lemonade you fuck-whit. You have no idea how much some of us tried. Fuck you.
lol. did you tell harris to fuck off on genocide? to fuck off on supporting corporate power? no? did you force harris to give people any reason to vote for her besides not trump? go look at her site again, read her actual policies. outside of the tax policy not a single one was going to do shit for working amercians. and the tax policy in no way compensates for inflation over the last 4 years. Would some of initiatives from the biden admin been nice tocontinue? like keeping khan in the FTC? yup! but every signal harris gave off was no, we wont be doing that anymore.
I dont ask you this to place blame on you personally. I’m doing it so you realize that it doesn’t matter who trump is. it matters who is actually running on the democratic ticket. if the difference between the candidates is basically a rainbow lapel on their shirt its not going to get people out to support her.
stop 1) blaming people who didnt show up, 2) dont take the blame personally for harris’, bidens, and the dnc’s failings.
move on, work locally to find better candidates for your community.
If you had actually accomplished any of the deeds you claim, you never would have gotten all butthurt, realizing OP was addressing the people who did nothing but create voter apathy.
The fact that you did get butthurt, says everything.
No, they acted like nobody did anything. Some of us did everything we could. And fuck you for acting like we didn’t do enough. What did you do? “Meh I posted memes on FB and argued with tankies.” Fuck you too.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think anyone who is trying to discuss the election with you in good faith paints you as just another MAGA American. We know some Americans faught tooth and nail to stop this. Now you could be lying just as easily as you could be telling the truth, although I have no reason to think you are lying. So assuming you’re telling the truth, as crushing as a second Trump presidency is for me, someone who doesn’t live in the US, who literally can’t do anything about him, it must be so much more worse for you.
I know you’re tired but your fight against fascism is just beginning, it’s far from over. I hope you can find the strength to keep going. As an outsider all I can do is tell you that some of us see you and know that you’re not well right now. Gandalf put it best;
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Thanks for the uplifting words kind stranger.
“I can’t just run on not being the other guy? I actually have to articulate a platform and get people to like me???”
Add the /s
They’re both right. If you didn’t vote for Harris, you were incredibly misguided. But it’s not my job to get Harris elected, it’s the DNC’s.
It’s everyone’s job to fight a fascist takeover, though. Election subversion is part of the playbook.
The Republicans didn’t create the democratic campaign. Fighting fascism is everyone’s job but that job would’ve been much easier if the alternative didn’t run on “we’re not as bad a Trump”.
It’s worse than that - this election was a major win for billionaires, the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket and the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket. The difference in the candidates is a reflection of the range of preferences within the billionaire class. That’s why we can’t get exciting progressive candidates. That’s also why we see so many articles blaming voters or blaming a side - the division keeps people focused elsewhere. Billionaire-owned and managed media (propaganda) keeps them out of the spotlight. Kamala was the far better candidate but she lost because the more hateful of the billionaires put their funds into setting up a false choice (a vote either way is a vote for the billionaires) and then poured on the gas to get the other guy in office.
the DNC’s donors that call the shots and decide who gets on the ticket are the same group that backs the GOP’s ticket.
This is how a corporatocracy always wins. Welcome to America.
Why are y’all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote?
the DNC is out of touch with voters.
that doesn’t absolve the electorate from failing to rally behind a candidate that was the best choice to stop a NAZI REGIME from taking power.
if you didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, you’re no better than magats.
why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote
I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
and installing a Nazi regime that has, on record, stated they will never let go of control is the best answer y’all could come up with?
how is any of that going to make the struggle BETTER?
will unbridled fascism help calm the masses and stabilize the inequalities of the previous democracy?
will it restore and protect the rights of Americans?
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
I blame the DNC of being inept! I never fucking said they weren’t!
I can still blame the electorate for allowing a fascist dictatorship to take hold in American government.
Just because you call out a fault doesn’t absolve the other party, both are at fault here. I’m just disappointed that voters ignored all reason and decided to fuck all of us(including themselves), to spite us.
btw, what kind of “meaningful change” can we expect now that sweet potato Hitler is in power?
How’s that tactic of browbeating and blaming voters working out for ya?
Great campaign strategy buddy. Why don’t you work as an analyst?
Cool. Nazis taking over America and your memeing a womp womp in response to criticism of your dumbass analysis that has failed twice now. Real big brains you’re working with over there.
Should the DNC have put forward a candidate that was fairly selected with grass roots support among the wider voting population?
No, it’s the voters who are at fault.
do you think there was enough time?
use your fucking brain.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
when it actually mattered 20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy. full stop.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first?
Nevermind, you just want to blame the fire dept from not showing up faster.
do you think there was enough time?
Yes. Other countries manage just fine.
Americans that purposely withheld votes cause this to happen. point. fucking. blank.
Maybe they didn’t purposely withhold votes. Maybe they were just not enthusiastic enough about the DNC candidate.
20 million Americans abandoned their posts to protect democracy
This is not democracy. It’s a corporatocracy that’s one candidate away from dictatorship.
when a house is on fire, do you save the stuff or the people first
The house is on fire because the two greedy landlords have refused to do basic maintenance and listen to the concerns of their tenants.
You just don’t get it. You still want to argue about why the house is on fire, instead of trying to save the people in the house.
That’s the problem with ideological extremists. You just can’t admit that your idea sucks.
I’ll admit that the Democrats suck.
Can you admit that your socialist goals were unachievable in the previous political environment?
Wait a second. 🤔 Was that your goal all along?
No, if that was the case, you would be no better than the Nazis.
right?
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor.
No, I’m pretty sure it was the people who refused to vote. All 20 million of them failed to identify the obvious threat to our democracy and react accordingly.
There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them.
Spoken like a true extremist. Now, the sad thing is, I never considered myself a Democrat. I was something of a hybrid between leftist and Democrat. After this election though, I’m neither. Now I’m an anti-extremist, extremist. And I know I’m not the only one.
Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
We all know that’s a lie. 20 million votes to Harris would have swung it greatly in her favor.
But that’s fine. You keep lying, and I’ll keep hating extremists.
Cope all you want. But she made the choice to court Republicans and chase the ghosts of Cheney Era Voters and paid for it. When Trump can position himself as to speaking to working class issues than a Dem.
" hybrid between leftist and Democrat" Yeah a centrists no need to rebrand it.
Greatest campaign strategy known to man. Do nothing, shit talk your base, be surprised when you lose. Classic DNC.
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair
Oh we’re not even waiting until 2028 to start up the infighting again. How fun. At least we’ll have something to discuss while in line for the showers.
It’s amazing how we get convinced to fight each other. The reason the orange felon got elected is that people voted for him. They are at fault that he got elected. Stop bickering amongst each other and call out those who would incite you to do so!
It may cost a lot of lives, but at least you got your moral high ground. Must be nice having the mental age of a 5yo and be content.
There’s a perverse bunch here on lemmy that are blaming the Democrat Party for their failure to vote. They justify it by essentially saying that because they weren’t catered to (being further left than centrist platform Harris ran) that it’s the democrat’s fault we got trump. That’s some republican-level victim shit. “We did the opposite of what we should and things didn’t get better!”
No, motherfucker, you sat this one out in a battleground state so we got a fascist and that’s better than Harris? WTF kind of logic is that?
So if after his term ends Trump doesn’t remain in power, will you just shoot yourself? Or how do you plan to prevent people from having to listen to your half-assed doomer opinions?
Yeah, he’s a fucking idiot and he never should’ve won. Says a lot about the democratic party that they got beaten by a fucking idiot.
Maybe in the future own your mistakes instead of fearmongering, idk, just a thought.
Or, it says a lot about the intentions of each and every person that either voted for him, or didn’t vote.
“It’s Alice’s fault for not reminding Bob to pay the heating bill”. And I do mean reminding - as in an extremely obvious thing.
Isn’t it more like Alice’s fault for making Bob choose between paying the heating bill and the water bill, especially when someone from Alice’s department wanted to implement free heating and water for all consumers, Bob fucking included? Is it that hard to see how the corruption in Alice’s place of work is so goddamn disgusting that even Alice fans aren’t coming out to support her?
Jesus fucking christ. Never own up to your mistakes. Never admit your candidate was weak. Never admit your candidate is tied to corporate interests just as much as the other dumb fuck who won. Nooo, you have to seem squeaky clean. And then you wonder why people who see through that shit can’t be bothered to go vote.
Have some ownership and implement some reforms to turn your corporate-tied party around or die crying. Y’all keep wondering why voters see two shades of brown, and they don’t hurry to choose to eat shit from you instead of the other asshole.
Keep yelling at those who are so tuned out that they can’t care enough to give a fuck about who’s running the country. Keep making excuses for the Democrats’ decade of mediocre complacency. I’m sure things will change.
I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to “progressives”, I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.
So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.
If these last 10 years have taught me anything, it’s that most Americans are not progressives.
They don’t identify that way but most Americans are in favor of progressive policies when asked
Voter turnout was the second highest since women got the right to vote. Voters came out and narrowly voted for Trump in seven key states. Many didn’t like him, but didn’t believe that the Dems actually cared about their issues. And while Trump is crass and wish he were nicer, at least life during his presidency wasn’t bad for them.
This was the most important election in our life time and the best the Democrats could do was pick the next person in line.
Voter Turnout was high, and yet there were less votes cast overall than in 2016 or 2020. I have to call shenanigans, why are 20 million votes unaccounted for?
2016 had under 138M votes cast. This election has 135M counted with California having only 63% reporting and Arizona only having 85%. What’s your issue?
Life wasn’t bad? You missed the million US citizens who died under his watch because of his covid actions?
People minimize the bad things of the past to have hope for the future. They’re dead. We’re alive. Not my attitude, but at least I can hear it and not lose my shit.
The last two elections were also the most important elections of our lifetime.
Agreed. And the best the Democrats could do was give the next person in line. It didn’t work in 2016 and it didn’t work in 2024.
They will stick with “I’m not Trump!” even when it’s not Trump running
Yeah its fucking both, duh.
