Yes racists, please vote for Jill
I’m not a Stein voter, but blaming candidates when other people endorsing them seems odd.
How about this: “I have sex with farm animals all day long, and on behalf of the farm animal love society, I endorse Kamala Harris!”
So now should we write news stories about Harris being the bestiality candidate?
no, right. So why is everyone doing it to Stein?
…Are you guys listening to me or still think of bestiality?
And Putin endorsed Harris. These people know that their endorsement is a vote against that candidate, not for them.
Everyone’s so focused on putting Jill Stein down so that those votes go to Harris. Any ideas on how we can get tiered voting implemented so that third parties are viable choices instead of being the same as not voting at all?
If you want a third party, then vote for them for state government or something local. Green is not a serious party because they have no local elected politicians and cannot win the presidency. We’ve already been through this when Ross Perot successfully knocked out Bush in 92, Dole in 96, and Nader knocked out Gore in 2000. You can vote for whoever you want but when you see who’s behind her campaign, it’s clear she’s being promoted in order to hurt Harris.
Start local. Where I live we have ranked choice voting for mayor.
Except the Putin one was a joke apparently https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/6/russia-backs-kamala-harris-putins-history-of-us-election-endorsements
The KKK one not so much…
Dude endorses Trump back to back for past two election cycles and suddenly swings as far as he can in the opposite direction? Seems believable /s
Your link does not say it was a joke. It only suggests it was.
And Harris is proud of her Dick Cheney endorsement. Which she worked hard to receive by appeasing the war crime blood lords.
Of course Lemmy (which is leftist when it comes to politics because “left is the good guys!!1!1”) cares so much about something so stupid.
Hey yall, David Duke endorses people but that doesnt mean theyre in cahoots lol. Sheesh this is pathetic.
Finally. A sensible decision.
Hmm… I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
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Thanks! :-)
Right?! Thanks, friend! :)
Here’s your chance. Defend the article.
They’re ecstatic to be on the same team as Duke, but as usual everything they say is meaningless bullshit with about the same value as a 10 second long wet fart
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
As funny as it is, I think really that is where it can stop. Someone abhorrent said they support someone, that person said, no. No means no.
And yet Duke agrees with her goals. Totally meaningless /s
Dude, I didn’t even post the article. Maybe you can ask the person who did? Did you even look at the name of the poster?!
And what is there to “defend”? NBC News wrote an article that David Duke endorses Stein. I didn’t write it, produce it, edit it, publish it, or even post it to Lemmy. I have nothing to do with this article being on Lemmy.
Exactly what part do you want defended? That NBC news talked to someone? I’m unclear on what you’re trying to ask me to do. Thanks!
Dude, I didn’t even post the article.
Looks like I’m 2 for 2 already
Bingo!
You constantly try to defend Stein and 3rd party voting. YOU posted the same exact article, remember, you linked to it. So I was giving you a chance to respond to the article on here that had traction vs your post that had zero. You didn’t, so that’s all I need to know.
What is there to respond to? I didn’t write the article. And I didn’t post “the same exact article” either. There is no rule that we have to “respond” to articles that we post or don’t post.
This article reported some political news. This is a political news community. So people post political news articles.
Not sure what sort of “gotcha” moment you are looking for here. Are you trying to imply that just because some racist wacko inserted himself into the news and said that he supports Jill Stein, that it has anything to do with me?!
Or what is it that you’re looking for from me? I don’t understand.
Who are you referring to? I’m debating some “Harris needs to earn my vote. So it’s her fault if Trump wins.” idiots right now.
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
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My life got much better after I blocked that account a few weeks ago
You think that articles from Newsweek, AP News, CNN, The Hill, USA Today, and Reuters are “Russian propaganda?!” Really?
And why would I get paid to post news articles from news sites to Lemmy of all places?!
Absolutely no one likes you. Go away.
Well, if no one likes me, then shouldn’t be a problem for me to post here. And you can always block me too. Thanks! :)
I don’t have to explain anything to you ;)
You’re making .ml look sane.
Keep up the good work 🤡
Maybe a play on “omnipresent zealot”
I’ve had a tag on the user I think you’re referencing for a minute now. It’s quite helpful.
Hmm. I can think of someone who was recently accused of running two accounts. Something like bad mythical figure name.
Who got accused of running two accounts?
=)
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Who is it?
I don’t know about you, but I’m saving this post for future citations.
Solid plan.
and be sure to save this too:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
It’s almost like people argue in bad faith on the internet. Fancy that!
Omg 😱 you might be onto something!
Or some people just don’t agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don’t change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn’t mean it’s in bad faith. Thanks! :)
True, some people agree with former KGB agents.
how does this article impact anyone’s support for a 3rd party?
Because it’s already been posted here and this community doesn’t allow duplicate posts. It’s also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don’t know what user you’re referring to, but I’ve commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
Ah so you were late to /c/politics. Well I suppose we all have busy days at work sometimes. You’ll get ‘em next time champ.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was under the impression that I post every 17 minutes, 24 hours a day?! And that I’m a team of people. Oh AND that I’m a bot.
So if all that’s true, how was I having a “busy” day at work?!
Woah hey now all I said was you probably had a busy day at work. A little weird to bring up bots and teams of bad actors dude, chill.
People have said that about me. So I’m just wondering how all of those diverse viewpoints can be correct if I am at work and having a busy day.
I don’t recall having brought any of that up? At any rate, it seems like whatever your occupation is, it’s pretty stressful. That sucks.
I didn’t say that you brought it up. I mentioned that many on Lemmy say that about me.
My job isn’t stressful at all. Thanks, friend! :)
No, “Lemmy” isn’t under that “impression”. Are you trying to say your profile page is wrong, or that math is?
If multiple people are guessing that you’re a bot or a paid propagandist you may see that as a sign you’re terminally online and should go explore the real world for a bit.
Maybe you could develop a sense of personality and lose the burden of supporting a failed style of governance
🤷 Idk, I’m not your dad.
I can’t laugh heard enough about this.
What I suspect is happening here is that an endorsement of this nature can be seen as a “kiss of death” - folks who might otherwise vote for a candidate might be turned off once they hear this news.
Last time it seems the GOP candidate got the endorsement and lost, so to prevent a “kiss of death” effect in this election he is endorsing a spoiler in order to continue drawing votes away from Harris, while hoping to retain votes for the GOP candidate, causing the election to swing to a GOP win.
Remember, as the GOP guy famously said, “A vote for Stein is a vote for me!”
(Now, will this strategy actually be effective? I have doubts that enough people pay attention to this group for it to be relevant.)
Who the hell would change their vote from Harris to Stein based on an endorsement from a former Ku Klux Klan leader?!
Unfortunate.
Luckily, I can still hear laughs.
ERMAGHERD dat typo!
Lol
ouch, that didnt age well for Stein. Well I’m onboard with her owning that David Duke endorsement then.
You gonna lol at that while harris has been endorsed by cheney and tons of other fash trash?
You ding dongs just lazily skim headlines, post as perceived support for your argument and don’t realize that the article content just highlights how laughable your stated position is - the article that you posted basically talks about these generally horrible people tried everything they could to get on board with trump’s horseshit through their well developed deny/lie skillset… and they couldn’t. Them supporting a Harris vote speaks more to the failure of trump to state any rational coherent plan that these evil selfish cowards could get on board with. These fuckers want the USA to live so they can try to fuck it again in the future, so they endorse the adult in the room.
republicans needs Democrats to rebuild the jenga board every other election cycle so they can have something to headbutt on their next turn. trump wants to take the already toppled board, shove a few pieces up his ass and set the rest on fire Bertie flipping the entire table. Then he wants to make you walk the floor covered in broken, flaming Jenga blocks barefoot. And during all of this, kid rock music is playing VERY LOUD.
Dems are going to jettison their entire green energy platform and blame Jill Stein.
I think it’s fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here. I think it says something that Trump is too fascist for Cheney.
Also, shoving Stein’s words in her face doesn’t mean OP agrees with those words, just that Stein’s words are particularly problematic at the moment.
fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here
more fascist
:-/
Lesser of two fascists
Hey, did you know that 100% fascist is more fascist than 0% fascist?
Please stop twisting words just to be annoying.
Please stop twisting words
Please stop bombing civilians.
You think u/vorticity owns/operates warplanes and munitions?
You’re surprisingly dense.
Someone who isn’t fascist at all is less fascist than a fascist. This isn’t the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
Someone who isn’t fascist at all
Failed to win either major party’s nomination.
This isn’t the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
This isn’t a game of “gotcha”, its acknowledgement of US foreign and domestic policies. The current obsession with rounding up migrants, arming and invading sovereign nations and massacring their inhabitants, and suppressing internal dissent via police raids and congressionally-backed intimidation of college administrations is championed by both heads of the major parties.
Failed to win either major party’s nomination.
You failed to win the nomination, so by your logic you’re a fascist. I can’t make sense of this.
And I thought we were talking about the two people who did win the nomination of their major party.
This isn’t a game of “gotcha"
You were clearly trying to pretend you caught them admitting Harris is a fascist. You can’t play gotcha and then claim you aren’t playing gotcha.
You failed to win the nomination, so by your logic you’re a fascist.
???
Identifying which of the two war criminal fascist candidates for president is the better one to vote for is a good skill we should all learn because it will keep coming up in all future elections, as long as that US funded AIPAC money train keeps running on time, funding both parties.
Cheney almost certainly is concerned about Trump mismanaging US foreign policy, not his fashiness.
Just my opinion, as an idiot with no marketable skills: I think the more fascist candidate is the one who attempted a coup on Jan 6.
If I can figure it out, what’s other people’s excuse?
Posting Stein’s tweet is a good burn, but not much more.
Applying Stein’s logic to herself: what did she do to “earn” David Duke’s endorsement? That’s easy: she backed Palestine over Israel. Even if a racist happens to agree, that doesn’t make that stance wrong.
Yeah, that’s what I said.
Yeah, 100%. Because it’s ironic.
Yes, because they understand what a threat to their own existence Trump is. They are doing it out of self interest.
David Duke just likes Jill Stein’s views lmao.
He is not just any wizard. He is grand.
The grandest
And we all know Lemmy likes wizards.
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
I see a bloodninja reference, I upvote. 🤷
His hat is whack
The funniest part about this is I had no idea David Duke was alive. He was the main villain of BlackKKlansman. Imagine living to see yourself get written as the villain of a hit movie.
Also, mandatory fuck David Duke and Jill Stein.
BlackKKlansman
TIL
Hahahaha. Of course he did.
Can we all finally agree that supportingJill Stein is being the 11th person at the table?
If you think this reflects badly on stein ask yourself 2 questions, did he endorse her because she’s also a white supremacist? Did she accept the endorsement?
The answer to the first is probably no since stein is a Jewish women so I don’t think she’d get along well with all the other white supremacists who think she’s sub-human. The reason he endorsed her was because she’s the only one who would end the war in Gaza and fight the “Jewish lobby”. If your a Zionist and believe that any action against Israel is anti-Semitic then yeah stein and Duke are the same. If you live outside that delusional world then you’d recognize dukes dislike for Israel and steins, (and most of the worlds) dislike for Israel come from two completely different values systems and world views.
The answer to the second is easier, No, her campaign rejected it and called him trash as soon as they heard about it.
So does this actually reflect badly on stein, or is this just the ravings of an insane person who’s trying to elect a Jewish woman to take out his imagined grand Jewish conspiracy? Critique stein if you want but this is nothing.
I generally agree with you, but it does make her eat some of her own words as pointed out elsewhere in this comment section:
Stein stans refusing to engage with this screencap while also arguing that it’s okay because Stein disavowed Duke’s endorsement:
They share the same goal so it’s not a coincidence he’d endorse her.
What exactly is the goal you think they share and how does his endorsement advance that goal?
Seems like a fair question on such a vague statement. Like climate goals? Israel? Snack cakes?
He left it up to readers to self insert to not have to make a statement that can be fact checked. It’s cheap conversation.
Thank you for bringing logic to this thread!
For real. If David Duke endorsed Harris, democrats would be crowing about it and saying they’ll take all the help they can get (see all the recent neocon ghoul endorsements).
What a load of bullshit.
At least David Duke wasn’t responsible for multiple imperial invasions.
I’m not defending Dick Cheney.
But you can’t try to argue that the Holocaust denying former grand wizard of the KKK wouldn’t do that if he was given the chance.
Not yet, but you can still have hope
Absolute bullshit
People weren’t welcoming Dick Cheney’s endorsement of Harris?
Are you suggesting that Cheney and Duke are equivalent?
No, Duke is a huge piece of shit, but Cheney has done immeasurably more harm to the world.
Edit: Ah, I forgot that to liberals, it is a greater sin to be an (uncouth) racist, than it is to be the architect for the deaths of a million people.
sHiTlIbS you mean?
Self identify however you want.
If one has more power, they are likely to do more harm in the world, regardless of how shitty they are of a human being. While I have no love affair with Cheney, he is not the absolutely piece of human garbage that Duke is.
You think that people here are defending Cheney, but really it’s you defending Duke.
What the fuck? Duke is a piece of shit absolutely, but Cheney has done real fucking harm to the world that you can measure in dead children. Cheney is worse by far.
🤡
A self portrait of the poster.
nope and you know that. they clearly said even these monsters think Trump is worse than their ideological opposite.
I saw quite a lot of “hey we’ll take whatever help we can get”.
Right. Meaning if this wins over a few old school republicans, cool. Zero democrats like or welcome the ideologies of people like Cheney. Which everyone here knows.
Right. Which is the same as what I suspect you’d say if it was David Duke endorsing Harris too.
lololol sure.
Yep!
David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
Lol so wait.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that… anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that’s for sure.
The thought process is “do I really want to be a part of a system that the KKK has decided furthers/aligns with goals etc”
If something is good for racists it’s probably worth a critical examination.
It was quite a bit more complicated than that, of course. That was just the first catalyst that sent me down a new road.
David Duke’s endorsement is a slander, and I think he knows that and uses it intentionally.
That’s OK. If it gives a few more people one more reason not to vote Jill Stein, I’ll take it.
Seriously. Jill Stein has done nothing and doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.
In this recent case, yes. I never made a statement one way or the other on that in my comment, though. Being the type of person he is, he has the choice of being either serious or unserious with his endorsements. Putin does the same thing when he makes some sort of open statement regarding who he would prefer to win the election.
Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul.
You and the entirety of reddit in the 2012 election I think. To be fair, there’s plenty liberals and libertarians agree on. Unfortunately, you can share some common beliefs with someone and they can still be a piece of shit.
I was ahead of the curve and liked Ron Paul in early 2008. He made some damn good points about the housing market back in 2007. Turns out he was right and the market collapsed.
That bought him some credibility, but then the Tea Party happened. It was ugly enough that I took a harder look at Paul.
Remember when we thought the tea party was crazy?
Yeah, the moment they started to gain any media attention.
I see this more as a loss of support for Trump, just like the many Republican endorsements for Harris. It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way, and who supports someone is more a sign of how that person leans, not the candidate.
What will be interesting (but again, inconsequential) is how Stein will treat this. Ignore? Simple thanks? A rally to try and pull more of those who would follow him? (I think some will see where I’m going there)
They rejected it. From the article:
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
“We had no idea about this and are very, very not interested in David Duke’s endorsement,” Call told NBC News.>
Nothing can hurt or help Stein’s chances. She’s not a real choice. I don’t even think she’s on enough states’ ballots to get the required number of electoral votes.
She can’t win, but she’s on enough ballots to affect the outcome. I assume she knows this and either directly wants Trump to win or is so twisted around with hatred for the Democratic party she doesn’t care that hurting them hurts the entire country.
Florida 2000 Presidential Election results:
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Bush: 2,912,790 (48.847%)
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Gore: 2,912,253 (48.838%)
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Nader: 97,488 (1.64%)
If just 538 Nader voters had gone to Gore, representing 0.0091% of the total vote, Al Gore would have been president.
Tiny fucking margins can change the world. Ask a bunch of dead Iraqi people if they feel like there would have been no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore.
To be fair, the US Supreme Court decided the 2000 election. Gore’s lead would have needed to be higher than the threshold to automatically trigger a recount for that outcome to have changed.
Given that more Iraqis were killed by the Clinton era sanctions, crippling food and medicine access for Iraq, as well as the general hawkishness of the Dems, as evident again with Israel today, it wouldn’t have made a difference.
When it comes to invading and murdering brown people, both parties are pretty similar. Heck Hillary Clinton always got a hard on for escalating to war with Iran.
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Right? Imagine Trump not being racist enough for David Duke. I bet he’d be really mad if he weren’t straight vibin
It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way
Which is 0% since she literally cannot win enough electoral votes.
Agreed!
Best endorsement dems could hope for, really.
