Hiiiiiii.

Christians are routinely taught that god is not just loving (“benevolent”) but all-loving (“omnibenevolent”). Here’s the Pope talking about how “tender” and “astonishing” and “gratuitous” god’s love is. 4:8 of the First Epistle of John in the Bible – part of the de jure and de facto source of truth about god for Christianity – reads: “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”

Sure we could reduce that down to “omnibenevolent as long as you love him back”, as e.g. Proverbs 8:17 says “I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.” But even then, god heavily abuses those who love him. The Bible tries to justify this bizarre cosmic domestic abuse in the book of Job, but it’s one of the most ridiculous, fucked up stories imaginable where god literally bets with Satan that he can fuck up one of his most devoted follower’s lives as much as he wants and he still won’t turn away from him.

How did I just notice that the upside-down version of “up” is “dn” which could be seen as an abbreviation of “down”?

No, no, you see it’s free will. Which makes total sense, because god can’t possibly foresee what we’re going to do, which is a problem omniscient beings definitely struggle with. Or if he can foresee what we’re going to do and he is omniscient, then he’s not omnibenevolent because he had exact foreknowledge of what was going to happen and let it anyway. After all, why “test” if you already know the precise outcome if not to watch people suffer for fun? If you need people to learn lessons, why can’t you just magically teach them those lessons? And if you’re not capable of this, how are you omnipotent?

Pick at most two of the three; you can’t have all of them.

It’s so fucking comical to me too that they call it “god’s will” when children die of the most horrifying, excruciating diseases imagnable long before they’re capable of understanding what’s happening, but when a pregnant woman makes an informed decision not to die during childbirth over a shrimp living inside her taco, that’s a bridge too far, and the all-mighty creator and ruler of the universe is very disappointed in you for killing one of his children.

Sweetie, maybe your fairytale sugar daddy’s will isn’t all that benevolent. 💀

This is why I have genuinely no respect at all in the world for Trump voters and supporters. If you’re smart enough to understand that this is bullshit, then you’re with him because he’s enriching you at the cost of everyone else or because you actively want his bigoted policies to hurt innocent people just for the sake of it.

If you’re not, then you’re not only a complete fucking idiot, but you’re willfully a complete fucking idiot. “Complete fucking idiot” doesn’t even begin to describe it, though; it’s too generous. There aren’t words in an English dictionary to capture it. I could say “brain-damaged”, but I would genuinely expect someone who just awoke from an insular ischemic stroke to be a better critical thinker. “Brainwashed”, I mean I guess that’s the closest thing there is, right? Straight-up cult behavior. But it even somehow feels dumber than a traditional cult.

It’s like necrotic chunks of grey matter are sloughing off their brain in real time. Their stupidity is bottomless because they’ll believe literally anything when they’re told to, and after that it’s impossible to amass enough evidence to talk them out of it because they’re not just too braindead to understand the evidence; they’re too braindead to understand the concept of evidence. Flat Earthers have more respect from me as critical thinkers and as human beings. I would trust a group of 500 unmedicated, severely sleep-deprived paranoid schizophrenics to decide on policy before I would 500 Trump supporters.

“Paint me like one of your French squirrels.”

V

No, it’s an edited shitpost of the neo-Nazi’s comic. He did not coin the term.

Hi there. Things escalated really out of control due to a rogue mod, but the situation has since been resolved, and things should be back to normal.

Private communities don’t exist; you can only create an instance and defederate from everyone else. VeganTheoryClub is an instance which defederated from Lemmy.World, for example.

Incidentally, vegan Spam does exist both in the official Spam brand and in another brand called unMeat. As someone who really doesn’t like Spam, though, I’m unqualified to judge it.

Sorry, this whole thing was a guerilla marketing campaign for legumes all along.

Hey, though, you’re the first person in this thread to actually mention by name a vegan Nutella alternative that doesn’t use palm oil, so you win first prize. 🏆🥳

the V-word is just off-putting to quite a few omnivores.

The discussion was about the ingredients being too exotic, not the labeling, but regarding the labeling, I don’t understand how a vegan product marketed toward vegans by indicating it’s vegan is a bad decision. Nocciolata puts up the label “vegan” too (it’s also palm oil-free, which is cool). Again, I’m sure Ferrero understands what their target audience is for this and have accounted for the extremely-close-minded-omni demographic.

This entire comment confuses me.

Here in Germany, chickpea is relatively exotic

I can’t speak to Germany, but at least where I am, chickpeas really aren’t exotic, even to people who really don’t know much of anything about other cultures. (Also, this won’t be in the German market yet; closest is the Belgian one.)

I’ve never seen rice syrup as an ingredient in anything that wasn’t specifically made for vegans.

I’ve never heard of this stereotype of rice syrup being especially prevalent in vegan products. I see rice syrup as a bit exotic, but not in a way that anyone who isn’t vegan but would be willing to buy vegan Nutella would think “well that’s just too out there for me. Syrup? Gross.”

It feels like they created a product specifically for the vegan market

That does seem to be the point of them removing dairy, yes.

which means they’re alienating parts of the non-vegan market

?_? How would this be alienating to someone who’s not vegan would otherwise try it as a vegan alternative? Like say what you want about enormous corporations like Ferrero, but I’m at least reasonably confident they did some market testing for this. The problem this comment is addressing feels extremely manufactured. If it doesn’t appeal to you, that’s one thing, but it feels like you’re overgeneralizing your own niche experience onto everyone else.

Wait, was there ever any doubt that Nutella is diabetes and CVD in a jar?

Edit: Apparently Ferrero marketed it as healthy if a comment below is to be believed. What the fuuuuuuck.

Nah, she made a really deep cut.

As someone out-of-the-loop here, do tell. I was hoping they might be out there, and I might give them a shot if they’re vegan.