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Jesus fucking Christ, Israel just can’t resist murdering more people, can it?
Israel’s faschist government
Voted in multiple times over decades by Israel.
The genocide supported by the overwhelming majority of Israelis.
But sure let’s pretend it’s only Bibi to blame. All those children who assaulted the little girl in class for asking about the Palestinians? Nope not a deep rooted cultural phenomenon at all, it’s just Bibi.
the overwhelming majority of Israelis.
2022 election. Likud: 23.41%
Look up the index of peace by Tel Aviv University. It is an overwhelming majority; even opposition voters support the genocide.
You mean this one? The one that dips down right after October 2023? I can’t imagine what event would have happened in October that would possibly have caused such a massive downturn in the belief that it’s possible to make peace with Palestinians?
Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing
Settlements
Israel does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
One or Two State Solution
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
- Avi Shlaim
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Source
During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.
Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Did you really spend 44 minutes typing all that up? Or is this another one of your copypasta comments?
The Peace Index is a survey project that’s conducted every 3 (???) months. Click on “see the latest survey” then on “findings” and you’ll see what I mean. I’d love to quote specific numbers but it won’t open on my device for some reason. Anyway numbers like how many Israelis think the Israeli military response to October 7 is justified and how many think its scale is just about right or too low are particularly damning, but you should go through the whole thing.
I’ll just include the top two points - they’re the most relevant.
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An overwhelming majority of the Palestinians (81%) think the Palestinian suffering under the siege and blockade of the Gaza Strip justifies what Hamas did on October 7; only 28% of Israeli Arabs take this view. Among Israeli Jews, 84% believe Hamas’ attack on October 7 justifies current Israeli actions in the Gaza Strip.
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We asked how Israelis interpreted Palestinian aims on October 7 and in the ensuing war. The vast majority of Israeli Jews (93%) attribute maximalist and genocidal aspirations to the Palestinians’ aim: 66% select “to commit genocide against us,” and 27% believe the aim is to conquer land and expel the Jews. When Palestinians were asked how they interpret Israel’s aim in the current war, again, a vast majority of Palestinians (88%) attribute maximalist and genocidal aspirations to Israel: 61% select “commit genocide against us,” and 27% select “to conquer our land and expel the people.”
I went through it - it’s pretty fucking bleak which makes it even more important to avoid confirming the persecution bias on both sides
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I didn’t say Likud was supported by the majority.
Define what you meant, then. The coalition is marginally above half of votes cast.
The genocide supported by the overwhelming majority of Israelis.
I mean what I said, the majority of Israelis support the states genocidal “war”. The only large complaint they’ve ever had was “He’s not doing enough to reduce to the hostages”.
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It’s the same argument as saying all Palestinians are Hamas…
No it’s not.
Quite literally yes, there are people in Bibis Coalition and cabinet who are so openly Fascist that even Israelis can’t deny it. By Fascist I mean you have people like Ben Gvir who are very clearly Kahanists (Israeli mix of far-right militarism, ethnonationalism, and religious fundementalism). Keep in mind this is by Israeli standards, even according to them Bibis government is fascist (or at least fascist adjacent).
Israelis don’t deny it, they fight it, with all the consequences.
Bibi needs to stay in power to stay out of jail. Gotta keep that war machine going!
This justification of the war because a single person is misleading. If people do not support him made it clear he wouldn’t do it. It is like blaming hitler for nazi activity and pretending soldiers are following orders.
The same soldier who killed Press, Hostages waving white flags, shot babies in the head with sniper rifle, and throw bodies of the roof.
These people are not Bibi.
There are also the military aid by US, UK, and Germany. These are not Bibi.
Hezbollah could have stopped shooting rockets, drones, and cruise missiles at Israel any moment in the last 11 months.
Israel has perpetuated 80% of the cross-border attacks for the past year, but sure please tell me again how Hezbollah, which was established as a direct result of Israeli aggression, are the ones who should stop. That’s insane.
You picking fights under every top-level comment in this thread, huh?
Forgot to shuffle accounts around, I guess.
They really want a full on war, don’t they?
They know they have unlimited support from the US no matter what they do.
They want land. They will murder to get it.
There’s no way they’re just going to accept incoming rockets as a part of normal life. As long as Hezbollah keeps attacking them, they are going to retaliate
Change rockets to airstrikes and ethnic cleansing and Hezbollah to Israel and you’ll understand how everyone in the region feels about Israel.
Do you think the current situation is going to turn out better than if Hezbollah hadn’t attacked?
In Lebanon? Probably not, by definition. In Palestine? Almost definitely yes.
Edited because I misread/misinterpreted better as worse.
Can you explain how this is going to turn out ‘better’ for Lebanon? Innocent Lebanese (unless your point is there aren’t any?) are dying every day
Oh shit I meant worse, not better. Worse for Lebanon, better for Palestine.
Can you explain how this is going to turn out ‘better’ for Palestine? I’d say that it just further discredits the call for a two-state solution
Do you think hezbollah is attacking because of the ethnic cleansing already going on via “settlers” or nah?
I think Hezbollah was fantasizing about doing some ethnic cleansing from the moment they were formed
“As long as Israel keeps bombing their country, they are going to retaliate.”
The cycle of violence continues.
Yeah, if you convince yourself that it was Israel that restarted it on oct 8th, I’m sure you can get some solid sleep
(while people actually living there don’t have that privilege)
Likewise if you can pretend all history only started October 7 then you can make yourself sound like the victim. But we both know better, I assume?
I’m making myself sound like the victim?
It’s weird that you want to sound concerned about the cycle of violence continuing and then want to argue that last October doesn’t really matter
News are reporting 35 dead children
A sign they killed mostly militants.
If 10% dead children is your bar of success, you are fucked up.
They’re using American weapons, they should just aim for schools
They are.
What in the fuck logic is that?
492 dead total and 35 dead children means 6% of the dead are children. If targets were selected randomly, the numbers would be far higher.
I mean if the targets were selected randomly at like a grocery store during school hours you might have a similar, possibly better ratio of adults to kids. “low children” does not necessarily mean “high militant”
Israel hit 1600 targets in Lebanon on Monday. None of them have been reported as shopping centers.
office buildings, gyms, etc also have a fairly high adult to child ratio.
35 children suggests they may be hitting some residential housing.
Yes, they probably attacked some residential housing where top military commanders were successfully targeted.
More than 50 children now not counting women.
One of these days they are going to attack the wrong people and guess who gets to bail them out.
It’s a matter of time before someone gets fissionable materials inside the border… especially since they have less and less to lose each passing day.
Iran has been working on nuclear weapons for a while now.
Reminder that Israels war government (especially under Bibi) is bloodthirsty and desperate to keep their people distracted from how much their lives suck and the fact that their government has openly fascist politicans like Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich (I know, truly shocking /s).
A giant number. Very sad to see.
