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  • This is an interesting-ish article, but it’s not saying what it thinks it’s saying. When believing in heaven and hell and that there’s only one true religion are considered marks of immorality, it’s not surprise that it’ll rate religious people lower than atheists. This is a measurement of how close different people and societies are to secular, Enlightenment-era European values, not how “moral” those people and societies are. None of this has anything to do with how likely these groups are to help a stranger.


  • Uh… did you see the rest of my comment? Again, about 66% of Democrats are religious too, so your point only holds in the sense that both parties have religious majorities. “The majority of conservatives are religious” makes only slightly more sense than “the majority of criminals are right-handed”.

    The exceptions being Jewish and Muslim.

    Uh… no? You have black Protestants and Hispanic Catholics too, with Hispanic Protestants being evenly distributed. As soon as you start correcting for race, the “religious people are bad” hypothesis loses credibility fast. Whatever is poisoning religious communities in America is clearly race-based, rather than religion-based.


  • Atheism is simply the disbelief in a god.

    Yes, and? That’s simply not enough belief to fuel a hate crime, or really anything good or bad. That atheism isn’t the explicit and sole motivation of most hate crimes is nothing more than a consequence of the fact that atheism isn’t the explicit and sole motivation of any radical action.

    Most hate crimes are done by conservatives, who happen to be overwhelmingly religious.

    Are they?

    Most conservatives are religious, but some back of the napkin math tells me you’re looking at about 33% of Democrats and 20% of Republicans being religiously unaffiliated, so while this is a significant difference it’s not as big as you imply; the majority of both parties is religious because the majority of Americans are religious. The only two groups I’d describe as overwhelmingly conservative here are white evangelicals and Mormons; everyone else is either more even or straight up Democratic-leaning.


  • I would say, find me a single example of atheists committing hate crimes in the name of atheism…?

    You’re moving the goalposts. There is absolutely no reason to dismiss atheist hate crimes done for reasons other than atheism. In the first place atheism is way too nebulous a concept for a hate crime to be done in its name; instead, when atheists commit hate crimes they either do so in the name of ideas either independent of religion or built on rejecting religion. For one example of the latter, China’s desire to suppress local religion and culture in the name in the name of national unity is the direct cause of the Uighur genocide. For another example,

    The Communist Party engaged in diverse activities such as destroying places of worship, executing religious leaders, flooding schools and media with anti-religious propaganda, and propagated “scientific atheism”.

    in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution).[65] Most seminaries were closed, and publication of religious writing was banned.[65] A meeting of the Antireligious Commission of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) that occurred on 23 May 1929 estimated the portion of believers in the USSR at 80 percent, though this percentage may be understated to prove the successfulness of the struggle with religion.[70] The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940.[65] Overall, by that same year 90 percent of the churches, synagogues, and mosques that had been operating in 1917 were either forcibly closed, converted, or destroyed.

    -Wikipedia


  • Those were done by atheist rulers, but not in the name of atheism.

    Atheism is way too nebulous a concept to be its own driver of atrocious conduct so the latter is straight up not a thing, and it doesn’t need to be. Crimes committed by people in the name of ideologies which explicitly reject religion (something something “religion is the opium of the masses”) are equally potent in refuting the idea that atheists are more moral than religious people. Otherwise, most hate crimes in America are not, in fact, explicitly committed in the name of Christianity; race is by far the most common motivator.




  • I don’t know how you expect a quantification of this answer.

    Exactly, which would make the initial claim unfalsifiable. To put it another way, how would you respond if a Christian made the opposite claim, that Christians are more moral than atheists? If they said that in a Christian community, would that not be a plain circlejerk?

    But examples of atheists committing hate crimes are very far and few between, while Christians, specifically Evangelicals (who are the ones with the tracts) are shockingly common.

    How do you know that? Most hate crime cases make no mention of the religion of the perpetrator. Atheists are probably less likely to commit hate crimes on religious grounds for obvious reasons, but most hate crimes in America aren’t religious in nature so again, citation needed.