• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    the shooter IS antifa

    Sure would be nice if we could wait for the facts to come out instead of just pulling shit out of our asses like it’s immutable truth.

    • Andy@slrpnk.net
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      2 months ago

      I’m saying that it’s tautological.

      If you try and kill a fascist because you’re opposed to fascism, you’re a black-bloc antifascist. I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations, but it seems pretty obvious to me that this was political violence against fascism. That’s what antifa means. Am I missing something?

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        2 months ago

        Well, a black bloc is a civil disobedience technique typical to anarchist groups that has nothing to do with allegiance. It’s a tactic of concealing your identity while operating in a group, typically at a direct action event. They all wear all black. And act as a group. Hence the name. It’s not just a catch-all phrase for anti fascist action.

        • Andy@slrpnk.net
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          2 months ago

          Fair. If you’ve got better terms, let me know. My point is that I think it would be silly to worry that the guy who tried to assassinate a fascist is going to make peaceful, non-violent antifa activists look bad. Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?

          To be clear, I’m not hating on antifa. It’s a strategy, and I don’t like to fight with allies over tactics. But I think it’s silly to be engaged in violent struggle and worry about the bad press of being associated with violent struggle.

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            2 months ago

            Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?

            There is a lot of anarchist rhetoric to justify violence against fascists, primarily because challenging the state’s monopoly on violence is so stigmatized by mainstream politics, but violence isn’t and should never be the primary tool for fighting fascism. Characterizing it as such is gives credibility to the narrative of the right. The spectacle of violence may make it seem over-represented among the wide variety of tactics in use, but the ‘name of the game’ is ‘diversity of tactics.’

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        2 months ago

        I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations

        MAGA types are so divorced from reality that I think it’s premature to totally dismiss this possibility.

        Edit: fuckin comment AGED LIKE WINE

      • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Yes, you’re missing something. You’re asserting something to be 100% true based on no evidence whatsoever. Like you said, it could also be mental illness or something else entirely.

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          2 months ago

          You know what? I guess that’s fair.

          I guess we’ll likely see.

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        2 months ago

        Black-bloc is a tactic, specifically a group tactic. If the assassin’s motivation was to stop fascism, they’re antifa through the tautological technicality. But the gunman was not black-bloc.

        Maga will use any excuse to crack down on groups that organize under the antifascist banner, but this will definitely be one of them.

        Edit: Someone has already made this point, sorry to duplicate it.