A spectator was also killed at the rally in Pennsylvania, the Secret Service said. Former President Donald J. Trump said in a post online that he had been “shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part” of his ear.
If you try and kill a fascist because you’re opposed to fascism, you’re a black-bloc antifascist. I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations, but it seems pretty obvious to me that this was political violence against fascism. That’s what antifa means. Am I missing something?
Well, a black bloc is a civil disobedience technique typical to anarchist groups that has nothing to do with allegiance. It’s a tactic of concealing your identity while operating in a group, typically at a direct action event. They all wear all black. And act as a group. Hence the name. It’s not just a catch-all phrase for anti fascist action.
Fair. If you’ve got better terms, let me know. My point is that I think it would be silly to worry that the guy who tried to assassinate a fascist is going to make peaceful, non-violent antifa activists look bad. Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?
To be clear, I’m not hating on antifa. It’s a strategy, and I don’t like to fight with allies over tactics. But I think it’s silly to be engaged in violent struggle and worry about the bad press of being associated with violent struggle.
Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?
There is a lot of anarchist rhetoric to justify violence against fascists, primarily because challenging the state’s monopoly on violence is so stigmatized by mainstream politics, but violence isn’t and should never be the primary tool for fighting fascism. Characterizing it as such is gives credibility to the narrative of the right. The spectacle of violence may make it seem over-represented among the wide variety of tactics in use, but the ‘name of the game’ is ‘diversity of tactics.’
Black-bloc is a tactic, specifically a group tactic. If the assassin’s motivation was to stop fascism, they’re antifa through the tautological technicality. But the gunman was not black-bloc.
Maga will use any excuse to crack down on groups that organize under the antifascist banner, but this will definitely be one of them.
Yes, you’re missing something. You’re asserting something to be 100% true based on no evidence whatsoever. Like you said, it could also be mental illness or something else entirely.
I’m saying that it’s tautological.
If you try and kill a fascist because you’re opposed to fascism, you’re a black-bloc antifascist. I suppose it could come out that the shooter was purely delusional and was trying to kill Trump for fame or because of hallucinations, but it seems pretty obvious to me that this was political violence against fascism. That’s what antifa means. Am I missing something?
Well, a black bloc is a civil disobedience technique typical to anarchist groups that has nothing to do with allegiance. It’s a tactic of concealing your identity while operating in a group, typically at a direct action event. They all wear all black. And act as a group. Hence the name. It’s not just a catch-all phrase for anti fascist action.
Fair. If you’ve got better terms, let me know. My point is that I think it would be silly to worry that the guy who tried to assassinate a fascist is going to make peaceful, non-violent antifa activists look bad. Using violence to fight fascism is the name of the game, right?
To be clear, I’m not hating on antifa. It’s a strategy, and I don’t like to fight with allies over tactics. But I think it’s silly to be engaged in violent struggle and worry about the bad press of being associated with violent struggle.
There is a lot of anarchist rhetoric to justify violence against fascists, primarily because challenging the state’s monopoly on violence is so stigmatized by mainstream politics, but violence isn’t and should never be the primary tool for fighting fascism. Characterizing it as such is gives credibility to the narrative of the right. The spectacle of violence may make it seem over-represented among the wide variety of tactics in use, but the ‘name of the game’ is ‘diversity of tactics.’
MAGA types are so divorced from reality that I think it’s premature to totally dismiss this possibility.
Edit: fuckin comment AGED LIKE WINE
Yeah, on reflection, I agree.
Multiple news outlets reporting shooter is a Republican lol
Black-bloc is a tactic, specifically a group tactic. If the assassin’s motivation was to stop fascism, they’re antifa through the tautological technicality. But the gunman was not black-bloc.
Maga will use any excuse to crack down on groups that organize under the antifascist banner, but this will definitely be one of them.
Edit: Someone has already made this point, sorry to duplicate it.
Yes, you’re missing something. You’re asserting something to be 100% true based on no evidence whatsoever. Like you said, it could also be mental illness or something else entirely.
You know what? I guess that’s fair.
I guess we’ll likely see.