As much as I hate what the Nazis did, and this resurgence of neo Nazism, I worry that raising one’s hand for any purpose could be mistaken for a salute.
I don’t think someone hailing a taxi is going to get cuffed unless the cops were after them anyway. Be happy that the neoliberal slime in charge of the state did something good for once instead of imagining that a conductor might be sent to jail in the middle of a symphony.
that’s a fair bit harder. as capitalism continues to decay fascism will continue to sweep up those dissatisfied with the status quo so their ire can be pointed towards scapegoats rather than the people in power who are actually ruining their lives. as an individual, your options are precious and few. as someone who has spent like, 20 of the 30 years i’ve been alive arguing with right-wingers of various flavors, i know for a fact that they can be swayed by a compelling enough counter-narrative. the problem is that the narratives that lead unhappy people into fascism are all but ominpresent throughout our society. fascist ideology is baked into the bones of countries like the u.s. and australia, and wealthy ghouls fund a fucking deluge of propaganda to ensure that remains the dominant “alternative” ideology.
as a society, we could theoretically live in a world without nazis tomorrow. not literally, of course, but a combination of addressing the root material concerns (poverty, etc), shutting down the various fascist propaganda networks, shooting the hardliners and reeducating the rest would eliminate much of its allure, though it would likely take a few generations of work to truly see the end of it as a movement with any teeth. of course, we won’t, because ultimately fascism serves the interests of capital by serving as both a release valve and a bludgeon to keep any movements that might pose a threat to the status quo in line.
I’m certain police will use their discretion and infer intent before deciding whether or not a raised hand could be considered a Nazi salute. It’d be way too easy to argue down in court.
I imagine it’ll be all about context, and police will probably only lay charges if they know the circumstances will hold up in court. No way they’re going to risk having to take half a day hanging around the courthouse if there’s a chance the person could have been hailing a cab.
However, if someone’s protesting trans rights on the steps of Parliament, hiding their cowardly face behind a black mask, holding their arm out in the same fashion? Yeah, that’s a fucken Nazi salute alright. Throw the book at them.
As much as I hate what the Nazis did, and this resurgence of neo Nazism, I worry that raising one’s hand for any purpose could be mistaken for a salute.
really?
As much as I hate Nazis we should really tolerate them for this scenario I just made up
“Lets say that in this hypothetical scenario, the nazis are the good guys” - every liberal ever
You don’t think someone can question the enforcement of the law without supporting Nazis?
I don’t think someone hailing a taxi is going to get cuffed unless the cops were after them anyway. Be happy that the neoliberal slime in charge of the state did something good for once instead of imagining that a conductor might be sent to jail in the middle of a symphony.
Do you think the Labor government is neo liberal? I don’t know, the state government has done a lot of good things over the last few years.
Yes, the center left neoliberals are still neoliberals
Also what’s with all these down votes? There’s a lot of idiots on this thread who can’t understand nuance or context.
Yes really.
if the police want to brutalize someone they’ll use anything as a pretext
criminalizing nazi displays is good.
Agreed. It’s a good start. I wonder if there’s any way we can stop people harbouring those beliefs.
that’s a fair bit harder. as capitalism continues to decay fascism will continue to sweep up those dissatisfied with the status quo so their ire can be pointed towards scapegoats rather than the people in power who are actually ruining their lives. as an individual, your options are precious and few. as someone who has spent like, 20 of the 30 years i’ve been alive arguing with right-wingers of various flavors, i know for a fact that they can be swayed by a compelling enough counter-narrative. the problem is that the narratives that lead unhappy people into fascism are all but ominpresent throughout our society. fascist ideology is baked into the bones of countries like the u.s. and australia, and wealthy ghouls fund a fucking deluge of propaganda to ensure that remains the dominant “alternative” ideology.
as a society, we could theoretically live in a world without nazis tomorrow. not literally, of course, but a combination of addressing the root material concerns (poverty, etc), shutting down the various fascist propaganda networks, shooting the hardliners and reeducating the rest would eliminate much of its allure, though it would likely take a few generations of work to truly see the end of it as a movement with any teeth. of course, we won’t, because ultimately fascism serves the interests of capital by serving as both a release valve and a bludgeon to keep any movements that might pose a threat to the status quo in line.
tl;dr absolutely yes, but we won’t
I’m certain police will use their discretion and infer intent before deciding whether or not a raised hand could be considered a Nazi salute. It’d be way too easy to argue down in court.
I hope so
It’s tricky because how do you ensure that neo Nazis can’t argue it down in court, but common sense prevails for non Nazis?
I imagine it’ll be all about context, and police will probably only lay charges if they know the circumstances will hold up in court. No way they’re going to risk having to take half a day hanging around the courthouse if there’s a chance the person could have been hailing a cab.
However, if someone’s protesting trans rights on the steps of Parliament, hiding their cowardly face behind a black mask, holding their arm out in the same fashion? Yeah, that’s a fucken Nazi salute alright. Throw the book at them.
As with all internet things, you can safely discard everything that appears before the “, but”
?? There’s no “, but” in my message.
lol.