• Kachilde@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    So, women and children are the most common victims of domestic abuse. Your solution to this is to coddle the men who beat, abuse, and murder their families? Because they have been “treated like shit”? If a fox keeps killing my chickens, I’m not going to ask the fox for advice on how to protect the coop.

    Buddy, EVERYBODY is treated like shit by society these days. But most of us don’t take it out on our families and loved ones. 99% of us feel let down by the system, yet manage to not tie our partners to clotheslines and set them on fucking fire.

    The absolute shitstains that can’t wrap their head around the idea that their pain doesn’t give them the right to hurt and kill the people that depend on them deserve no word on the matter of domestic abuse. Fuck them.

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      I don’t think they mean coddle, they mean treat the underlying mentality.

      Like, get them to wrap their head around it.

      Yeah you are right, everybody gets the short end of the stick. If a women is the abuser she just has less options to do damage.

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      8 months ago

      Those are some nice constructive solutions based on evidence you’ve provided, thank you for the contribution.

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        I’m sorry but the level of violence in this article goes beyond someone losing their temper because of life circumstances . These were premeditated actions, and suggests to me a psychopath beyond reform.

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          I think what @[email protected] was getting at was that we need to help people, especially men, to prevent them from becoming “a psychopath beyond reform”. Simply put, addressing the upstream problem

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            I know what they meant. I just disagree. Some people are just inherently fucked and intervention won’t always work. There are bad seeds out there unfortunately and ignoring this fact with wishful thinking won’t make it to away.

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                  It only shows a tendency towards being psychopathic. Still it’s not like we can’t get to these people early. It’s quite unfair and your position would be different if you were born with these traits. It should be noted, that that study did not test genetics in isolation with environment also being a factor.

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                    I don’t mean to sound disrespectful, I just think it’s naive to think that early intervention is the magic bullet in all cases.

                    It’s like saying all paedophiles can be reformed.

                    If you can point to concrete empirical evidence that proves this, I would like to see it. I’ve not seen or heard of any myself.

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          The violence goes well beyond what you believe can be caused by life circumstances.

          There is a lot of evidence that “normal” people can do horrific things.

          Your refusal to believe that a person could do this, and not just some monster, says a lot about your life. You should be thankful for that.

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            Uh huh. You know absolutely nothing about my life and what I’ve been through so if I were you I’d be very careful about making assumptions.

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                I haven’t made one. My point still stands. This level of premeditated violence that was not done under duress (i.e. literal or metaphorical gun point) was an act of complete free will and are the actions of a psychopath.

                Short of a lobotomy or extremely strong psychiatric drugs some people are beyond reform.

                It’s amusing that you come across as directing your hostility to me on the Internet, which I’m sure you will deny. I’m not the one burning people here while their kids watch.

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                  Your assumption was that people who commit domestic violence are “psychopaths”.

                  This is not true in the overwhelming majority of cases.

                  If I was being hostile to you it would be far more obvious. I have been short, maybe a little condescending, but not even remotely hostile.

                  I’m not the one burning people here while their kids watch

                  And neither am I???