When China’s BYD recently overtook Elon Musk’s Tesla as the global leader in sales of electric vehicles, casual observers of the auto industry might have been surprised.
But what’s caught other carmakers around the world off-guard is something else about BYD, which is backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway: its low prices.
“No one can match BYD on price. Period,” Michael Dunne, CEO of Asia-focused car consultancy Dunne Insights, told the Financial Times. “Boardrooms in America, Europe, Korea and Japan are in a state of shock.”
BYD can keeps its costs low in part because it owns the entire supply chain of its EV batteries, from the raw materials to the finished battery packs. That matters because a battery accounts for about 40% of a new electric vehicle’s price.
That view is unfortunately out of date. Many Chinese products are of equal or superior quality to their global counterparts. Think Lenovo laptops and OnePlus smartphones. Chinese stuff can be cheap and high quality.
Then it’s got to be what the person below said: beating the hell out of their workers, poor conditions and benefits, stuff like that.
You are one hundred per cent correct. There’re a million things you can criticise Chinese manufacturing for but universally poor quality isn’t one of them
One of the reasons these commodities can get so cheap is because the true cost is obfuscated through the vicious exploitation of labor at every step of the chain.
We may not have paid the full cost of the product, but those who were directly involved in their fabrication certainly did.
Lenovo has lost all sense of reputation for me after the whole superfish fiasco.
In my own experience trying the waters for a business importing and selling LED Light Bulbs from China, they’re a mix of little crappy companies and large more well established ones and the larger ones are perfectly capable of designing and making good products but due to the market pressure for “make it as cheap as possible” end up mainly cutting down on component quality and using cheaper designs to make it cheaper.
Sure, the tiny companies are generally crap and the local culture (at least in Electronics, and at the time which was a decade ago) was to expect things to be cheap and break down often, but the larger companies are professional and can actually make quality products, its just that they generally are very weak in branding so can’t really get people to pay them for quality, hence end up either mainly competing on price or working as suppliers for non-Chinese companies which are little more than Brand-management outfits (which is pretty what all big name Brands in the West are nowadays - managers of one or more famous brands, not creators of superior products).
I’ve heard the exact same thing before: Chinese manufacturers will build to whatever quality you pay for, but almost everyone just asks for the absolute cheapest. The profit margins on the absolute cheapest quality are better than competing with other countries who can also produce higher quality goods.
Lenovo is mostly American. The Thinkpad division was bigger than Lenovo when they bought it. Many of the directors and teams are based in the USA.
Yeah but lots more Chinese stuff is cheap shiny trash. If there’s a way to lie and cut a corner they’ll ,do it…not that America would be any different but they dont make anything here anymore.
That’s true but these cars aren’t. There are consumer protections in China. They just tend to be a lot less noticeable.
How are the cars on the privacy front?
Probably rubbish. There is no such thing as digital privacy in China.
If you get the windows tinted nobody should be able to see you inside.
They r very private, everything you do stays between you and
governmentGod.Who cares tbh. I don’t care if China gets my driving data, what is China gonna do with it? I’d rather they get it than my own government.
Well, that’s an interesting question. I guess it would be a shane if your government and the Chinese government had a dispute and your cat simply failed to start one day.
But more seriously, if you look at some Chinese IoT devices, they are a security nightmare- it’s not necessarily that the Chinese government gets access to your data, engine management system etc. it’s that some script kiddie will. Personally I like cars with minimal remote connectivity
There is nothing unfortunate about being able to buy products that are both cheap and high quality.
Lol Lenovo laptops are cheap shit and One plus make the single worst phones I’ve ever seen.
That’s a pretty unfortunate viewpoint. At least in the corporate world, Lenovo laptops have a decent reputation for reliability (read: last long enough to where the replacement cycle is economical). Where I last worked IT, the lifespan of a Lenovo laptop was four years. That doesn’t mean that they break after four years, but just that we recycle and replace them with a new computer after that. That seems to be average for a corporate laptop.
Calling them “cheap shit” means you’re either uninformed and unfamiliar or you hold your standards far higher than the average computer buyer.
Oh I know the corporate world loves the idea of Lenovo laptops.
They’re cheap and can easily run web apps and office. All that most people need them for.
If you have to run any software of consequence though, they’re simply not up to it.
I run software of consequence and have no issues with performance, heat or general functionality. You’ll need to cite some evidence to back up your claim.
What do you consider “software of consequence”? I worked for a mid-size municipal government. We had hundreds of users (or at least hundreds of Active Directory accounts). Everyone used Lenovo laptops. We had city planners running ArcGIS on them, the engineers at the public works department planned roads and sewage lines on them, HR calculated payroll on them, the council used them for their meetings, the municipal court staff used them for managing filings and tickets, and the police department used them to issue said tickets.
If none of that is “software of consequence”, then what the goddamn fuck is?
I believe if you look a second time the person you replied to has become someone who replied to them.
I think we’re mixing up the consumer grade Lenovo laptops (cheap crap) with Lenovo Thinkpads (business grade and built like a tank). We use a lot of Thinkpads and they’re good - nice even, and they survive a lot of abuse.