The thought of being remembered for something so bland and boring is weirdly scary to me. Maybe Felix was on to something when he talked about how settler-colonialism hollows out your soul and kills any culture, creativity or national identity you might’ve otherwise had. 
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As people are accurately diagnosing Israeli society as demonic and without redemptive qualities, and as they rightly wish harm on this settler, I can’t help but think about how mad people here got when I said I don’t care about the suffering of Americans.
Can someone explain the difference? Because it seems to me it’s the classic cop/soldier distinction you see among RadLibs: they can imagine themselves being harassed and harmed by cops (in which case it’s ACAB city) but are far more likely to be or know soldiers than suffer harm at their hands, so suddenly a situation that merited slogans and denunciations seconds ago deserves nuance.
People–again, rightly–point out that there are no innocent Israelis and that settlers are inherently combatants. Why doesn’t this apply to the far more more murderous United States? Its foundation is even more explicitly genocidal, it has killed orders of magnitude more people, and all of its atrocities receive widespread support.
So why is the treatment so different? Is it because Israelis are faceless nobodies on the other side of the Earth, and you and everyone you care about are Americans? Is it because your state has been unimaginably more successful at its campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing, so unlike Israelis, you don’t have to think about the fact that you’re a settler and thus create ideological justifications for your existence?
To be clear: I’m not saying that people here don’t hate the US. People here hate the US, but they hate Israelis. Why are Israelis painted as monsters complicit in their government’s actions while Americans are poor little victims whomst bear no responsibility for the most murderous state on Earth?
If this doesn’t apply to you: great! The next time someone tearfully says that no one should listen to me because I’m a big old meanie head toward history’s most perfect angels, Americans, please join me in thinking about how much everyone hates Israelis both individually and collectively (and again: they should! This is not a defense of Israelis) and roll your eyes.
“Ten degrees to the left of center in the best of times; ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.”
Edit: to be clear, I’m talking about Euro-Americans. The material base of American society is the exploitation of everyone on Earth for the benefit of Europeans. The bottom strata of American society are almost entirely racialized, and non-white people generally experience drastically different circumstances than the parasitic European majority.
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Here’s the thing, with very few exceptions every Israeli made the active decision to serve in the military. The punishments are minimal enough I’d consider working retail a worse fate.
Not every American serves in the military.
Sure. Maybe I picked the wrong example since this is a soldier, but I’ve seen this sentiment commonly applied to all Israeli society. And where do you draw the line? Most Americans end up supporting the mass slaughter of foreigners until they start seeing those sad little coffins with their sad little flags on the news, or until decades later when everyone has accepted that it was horrific and indefensible, and everyone pretends that they opposed it from the beginning.
And when push comes to shove and Americans have to choose between a world of equally distributed wealth where they have to do the real, unpleasant work that makes society possible (instead of four hours of meetings and four hours of emails), and one where a Fascist vanguard kills anyone that tries to change the status quo, I have absolutely zero doubt which choice they’ll make.
according to the map that’s been posted here a few times, americans would see a slight increase on average with a global redistribution of wealth.
we also work way more than is necessary for maintaining society, and the whole bullshit jobs thing means a lot of office drones would prefer to do something else that isn’t alienating if they still had their needs met.
Yes all Israeli society.
Because the vast majority of the people here are americans, snf they dont want to get got. Except me. I legit want all us white americans to get genocided* and the land returned to the native peoples
*in minecraft
Yes this inckudes myself and literally all of my loved ones and friends, kill us all completely unironically*
*in fortnite 50v50 mode, that mode was always fun
I’m ready to put my neck through the lunette if the billionaires go first
I just kinda want whites to die
dont you know that American are innocent little beans who were lied to in history class. can you believe it? in fact people on hexbear will claim that americans are “the most propagandized people on earth” and that everything is determinant already anyway and that humans have no choice and that morality and actions dont matter EXCEPT if you JUDGE someone for believing bigoted things YOU (the minority) are the bad guy and a bad leftist who is ruining any chances for communism to be real. im not over exaggerating takes like this have gotten 30+ upvotes, people have compared a poor person stealing bread to eat as the same as a white man choosing to be racist.
It ties into another subject I refuse to shut up about: Left-Communism, “Orthodox Marxism”, Euro-Communism, and every other strain of anti-revolutionary, do-nothing jerkoff “Marxist” thought comes out of Europe. Is this because European propaganda is just so superior (no doubt due to their superior European genetics and civilization), or is it because the entire world is enslaved for the benefit of Europeans, and thus even the “Communists” Europe produces are, for the most part, parasites? I think the answer is obvious enough.
The primary contradiction in the world is between the European and everyone else on Earth, not between the European worker and his European boss fighting over the spoils of global exploitation.
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Racism is a biological imperative to white men, similar to consumption of calories for humans.
Right away I think this is a strawmen, most people on hexbear don’t believe the second part and when this point is made, well are you ideologically consistent or not? Is propaganda actually real and capitalists control everything or Americans are literally voting for every dumb shit their imperialist masters decide to do? Are we even talking about the same people that can’t even point to most countries on a map? Even if most Americans decide to be “against” [insert current US sponsored genocide/war here] would that actualy change anything at all? Since when is the US actualy influenced by public opinion?
The core here is reponsibility is not the same as guilt. You can be an accomplice, you can even accept and refuse to do anything to prevent something, But take that to the logical conclusion e.g every American that doesn’t kill a cop on sight is responsible for the next time a pig kills an innocent person. Everyone that doesn’t immidiately murders everyone who works in the MIC is literaly reponsible the for the next drone strike?
Yes that is a joke but the point is American “responsibility” should always be viewed from the context of class analysis imo, it is the only way to be ideologicaly consistent.
The second point is that you’re already contradicting yourself here when you say you don’t want nuance but then you’re forced to clarify you’re talking about Euro(white) Americans. That is nuance because POC identify as “American” just as white people, however we decide to pass judgement on this choice it is still a fact and it will only become a more fundamental fact as time becomes and American society becomes even more diverse.
Also I shouldn’t have to tell you this, but nobody here unironicaly asking for genocide of anyone, even white Americans. Even doomers like me I think the worst outcome would be a WW3 scenario where the victorious army marches onto Washington and changes everything through sheer force, at that point if you’re still fighting for “America” you’re are the enemy and deserve to die, before that point, don’t mistake the discourse in a vacuum here for actual meaningful political theory.
Also final point, if you go down the hate ladder so much what becomes the real difference between you and some 4chan loser that decides to do a mass shooting in a school or mall? Americans are all “guilty” right? What is the real difference when the outcome is the same? Not saying that is what you’re proposing but what does “not care about the suffering” actualy means in practice isn’t so simple.
Nah youre right. But then again, I always agreed with your hatred for Americans. I feel it in my soul.
Mass shooters here would be based if they didnt overwhelmngly target minorities and instead went after fellow whites
If a guy went postal on a police station I’d get shirts made tbh
But then you’d have a wh*te on your shirt, thats like, cringe
Can’t Corner the Dorner shirts.
Death to the Great Satan.
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