I checked the NYT comments on the actual article and the cope is off the charts. The “Reader picks” (most upvoted) seem astroturfed.
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One of the more infuriating articles of recent days. These two autocrats, with all their critics silenced, most in jail, dare to speak of a multipolar world and more “justice” for people?! Truly stunning. The WTO made a grievous mistake in allowing China to grow its vast wealth without conditions–and at our expense. Why we maintain so much manufacturing in China even now is a mystery to me. Mr Putin’s grandiose visions of infrastructure might begin with modern plumbing for his people outside Moscow. Let us hope and pray the new world order these tyrants and opportunists dream of will never come to pass.
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Please remember that the entire GDP of Russia is a small fraction of California’s. They are in no position to declare a new world order. At best they can hope to be a vassal state of China.
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If the USA could just get off the over-consumption kick we seem to be on and get off the crack pipe of cheap consumer products, and move our means of production to other places including the U.S. China may not be so bold. We’ve handed it to them all in the name of cheap labor and profit for the big corps…which actually isn’t so cheap anymore anyway. Make them feel it. Get off of Tik-Tok too.
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The key point in this article is that China is lending money to developing nations like a loan shark who will eventually take every penny you have.
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Two drowning men, clinging to one another.
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Not one of these “leaders” was democratically elected in free and fair elections.
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BBC Reports that MI-5 is warning of massive espionage by China to steal information especially regarding innovation. The Cold War is not over … it just got really chilly.
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Grandiose Chinese plans for reshaping the world order are so much pie in the sky. When your next world order is founded on Russia, North Korea, Iran and a handful of impoverished African states who can not even afford to repay the development loans given them by China under the Belt and Road program, I am not holding my breath that this plan has legs. We have heard for so many years how China will dominate this century. But demographics and a property bust suggest that day will never come.
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One has to wonder if China, Russia and the United States remember the British Empire, the Mongols, the Romans, the Ottomans and a whole host of other empires across the globe.
Last time I checked China’s population has peaked, is aging rapidly and if we think the US debt burden is high…the total debt from China is tremendous. Russia is even worse. Their best and brightest are leaving in droves and Ukraine has demonstrated that Russia, while still a huge military might, probably couldn’t mount a multi-front effort anymore.
The US might still be the leader in innovation - but given the disdain that about 50% of the population has for technical progress and education, which we can see in declining life expectancies and the highest rate of infant mortality in the western world, one wonders if all of these nations are fooling themselves
Please remember that the entire GDP of Russia is a small fraction of California’s. They are in no position to declare a new world order. At best they can hope to be a vassal state of China.
“Okay, so I will attack you with my hypersonic missiles and underwater nuclear drones, and you try to defend yourself with your marvel movies and shit coins. Da? Davai.”
If the USA could just get off the over-consumption kick we seem to be on and get off the crack pipe of cheap consumer products, and move our means of production to other places including the U.S. China may not be so bold. We’ve handed it to them all in the name of cheap labor and profit for the big corps…which actually isn’t so cheap anymore anyway. Make them feel it. Get off of Tik-Tok too.
The majority of Americans are barely scraping by as it is. Make it so consumer goods are a lot more expensive and you will really see what the cool zone has to offer. You just know the person making this comment is some comfortable labor aristocrat who loves their high end luxury treats who thinks everyone poorer than them is just blowing money on new iPhones every other month. If the US were cut off from manufactured goods produced cheaply from outside the US, the resulting collapse would make 90s Russia look like a balloon party.
Please remember that the entire GDP of Russia is a small fraction of California’s. They are in no position to declare a new world order. At best they can hope to be a vassal state of Chin
Ok but which one of these places has an industrial capacity. GDP is a terrible measure of productivity because when you’re comparing banks and finance shit to actual production it just shows how fake GDP actually is
California can build a lot of expensive condos and shoddy mcmansions and empty houses in the desert. How could Russia possibly compete with that production?
Not one of these “leaders” was democratically elected in free and fair elections.
I don’t know enough about Russia except that Putin’s critics seem to keep getting defenestrated, but in what way are China’s elections unfair? People like the work that Xi is doing and are confident in his long-term vision, so he’ll keep winning until the electorate say otherwise. Where was this fuss when Merkel kept staying on as Chancellor?
But sure the US is free and fair when you have the ratfuckery of 2020 and Bush/Gore.
Who even cares if China doesn’t have western style liberal democracy? More Chinese people feel they live in a democracy than do Americans, and that’s the only metric that should count. The CPC consistently scores >90% approval ratings while Americans fucking hate their own politicians, regardless of party. Ask Americans if they think they’re politicians really represent them (the most basic aspect of democracy) and the overwhelming majority will say no. And the American people here are actually right for once, even if they don’t know why.
Dumbass last commenter thinking China is an empire and of course going with the “China aging” talking point that most every other developed nation is facing atm.
the imperial core bourgeoisie spent the better part of 50 years deindustrializing and outsourcing all its commodity-producing capacity to the imperial periphery while switching over to a “service economy” and then proceeded to cry and piss itself about how the imperial periphery is “using capitalism against us” and has “controlled top down economies”
Yeah, the country with a working experimental fusion reactor is definitely cribbing notes from us on how to make a slightly more addictive cheese flavoring. Such cope
I checked the NYT comments on the actual article and the cope is off the charts. The “Reader picks” (most upvoted) seem astroturfed.
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“Okay, so I will attack you with my hypersonic missiles and underwater nuclear drones, and you try to defend yourself with your marvel movies and shit coins. Da? Davai.”
For real my first thought was “Okay, and is California in any position to declare a new world order?”
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Yeah, just do it stupid
The majority of Americans are barely scraping by as it is. Make it so consumer goods are a lot more expensive and you will really see what the cool zone has to offer. You just know the person making this comment is some comfortable labor aristocrat who loves their high end luxury treats who thinks everyone poorer than them is just blowing money on new iPhones every other month. If the US were cut off from manufactured goods produced cheaply from outside the US, the resulting collapse would make 90s Russia look like a balloon party.
Ok but which one of these places has an industrial capacity. GDP is a terrible measure of productivity because when you’re comparing banks and finance shit to actual production it just shows how fake GDP actually is
California can build a lot of expensive condos and shoddy mcmansions and empty houses in the desert. How could Russia possibly compete with that production?
Consider who would comment on an NYT article. No astroturfing is needed.
I don’t know enough about Russia except that Putin’s critics seem to keep getting defenestrated, but in what way are China’s elections unfair? People like the work that Xi is doing and are confident in his long-term vision, so he’ll keep winning until the electorate say otherwise. Where was this fuss when Merkel kept staying on as Chancellor?
But sure the US is free and fair when you have the ratfuckery of 2020 and Bush/Gore.
Who even cares if China doesn’t have western style liberal democracy? More Chinese people feel they live in a democracy than do Americans, and that’s the only metric that should count. The CPC consistently scores >90% approval ratings while Americans fucking hate their own politicians, regardless of party. Ask Americans if they think they’re politicians really represent them (the most basic aspect of democracy) and the overwhelming majority will say no. And the American people here are actually right for once, even if they don’t know why.
Have you considered that China is bad?
Dumbass last commenter thinking China is an empire and of course going with the “China aging” talking point that most every other developed nation is facing atm.
China’s life expectancy is now higher than that of the US
China actually exists inside a temporal anomaly that makes everyone age faster, which is why asian people have such short life expectancies.
the imperial core bourgeoisie spent the better part of 50 years deindustrializing and outsourcing all its commodity-producing capacity to the imperial periphery while switching over to a “service economy” and then proceeded to cry and piss itself about how the imperial periphery is “using capitalism against us” and has “controlled top down economies”
well also, only the kind of person who pays for a NYT subscription can make those comments anyway
Yeah, the country with a working experimental fusion reactor is definitely cribbing notes from us on how to make a slightly more addictive cheese flavoring. Such cope