I was surprised today that I seem to have put on some extra fat. Obviously there are pathways for protein to fat and fat to fat, but one piece of advice from the subreddit where I started was

eat fatty meat until you don’t want more

I followed that, the other was for setting the fat percentage

Eat more fat if digestion is too slow (code for difficult pooing) eat less if it’s too fast (loose poo)

I should be eating less fat.

I think I’ll change my standard order from Scotch fillet (I think that’s rib eye fillet in American) to half Scotch fillet and half something lean

Or I could exercise a lot more. They say you can’t outrun a cheeseburger, you definitely can’t outrun the fat in a 2 inch Scotch fillet cooked to very very blue

Christmas and New year’s drinks may have also contributed either directly (is there a booze to fat pathway?) or by offsetting the food I need

(Fat versus muscle judged by Tanita body composition scales with hand conductors)

  • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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    2 days ago

    is there a booze to fat pathway

    Yes! Unless its pure alcohol (vodka, whiskey) there are carbohydrates in it. Alcohol is a poison at any dose, but it uses the same pathway as fructose metabolism in the liver.

    I was surprised today that I seem to have put on some extra fat.

    Is your body fact percentage quite low already? Your body might just up adjusting to optimal.

    Eat more fat if digestion is too slow (code for difficult pooing) eat less if it’s too fast (loose poo)

    This advice is good, but its focused on your ability to produce bile, it doesn’t really go to your bodies nutritional needs. Hunger and Satiation are the main regulators of “having enough”

    Are you hungry? Are you forcing yourself to finish meals?

    • psudOPMEnglish
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      2 days ago

      Never hungry unless there is meat in front of me, and I often don’t finish, and have the leftovers the next day

      I’m pretty sure it’s two things:

      I started working from home and not cycling to and from work (1 hr each way) 5 days a week

      I didn’t change the fat percentage of my food

      The long term carnivores on Reddit noted that appetite changes lagged exercise changes so they’d get super lean in summer when they exercised and put on a bit of fat in winter while idle

      • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Never hungry unless there is meat in front of me, and I often don’t finish

        This might be the reason, if your not hungry, you don’t need to eat. That is your body’s feedback mechanism.

        I started working from home and not cycling to and from work (1 hr each way) 5 days a week

        Yeah, you developed a eating habit/schedule for a higher metabolic rate then your maintaining.

        I didn’t change the fat percentage of my food

        Unless your body building, I don’t think you need to mess with fat percentages, natural fat, and natural meat are supposed to be combined together. Fat is a strong, STRONG, satiety signal. If your muscle mass isn’t going down, I’d say increase the fat % so that you don’t eat too much protein.

        Debugging

        You might want to put your entire daily food intake into cronometer, then look at your nutrient breakdown. I’ve found it helpful

        Common confounders: High stress levels, Cheese, sugar alcohols can increase insulin response too

        • psud@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 days ago

          Thanks mate! (This is me on the PC, it defaults to lemm.ee where phone defaults to aussie.zone)

          • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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            2 days ago

            Yeah no worries, my instance is having trouble right now, so I’m using a different account now too! Small world. It must be this hot sunny day.

            • psudOPMEnglish
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              2 days ago

              I’m so much worse than you at keeping my names different so people can’t tell I’m the same person - they’ll never get through your camoflague, but I’m psud@* lemmy.wold is my original and was my backup, aussie.zone is my favourite but isn’t all that reliable, now lemm.ee is my new backup.

    • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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      2 days ago

      @[email protected] What was wrong with this? I felt like that was a very reasonable message.

      Alcohol liver pathway https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6527027/

      You can gain weight on LCHF, even muscle https://doi.org/10.1002/fsn3.2204

      As far as oily / fatty stools https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/nxab019 The Bristol Stool Scale is well known to be associated with dietary inputs and bile production.

      This is the Carnivore community after all, I think its only fair to give us the benefit of the doubt

      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Well, first, if you’re tracking every vote, you’re going to be a busy boy.

        I fat fingered it; wasn’t aware I had voted at all.

        I have arthritis. It happens.

        I’m tempted to be contrary and down vote your comment just for laughs though lol.

        Seriously, my bad. I try to counter my hands being a pair of twats, but I do miss some of the stuff I trigger while scrolling and fumbling. I’ll pay extra attention here so you don’t have extra crap to wade through.

        Edit: I double checked the rest of the comments on this thread, didn’t hit anything that I could find, and unvoted the comment above.

        • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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          2 days ago

          No worries, I don’t mind occasional downvotes, but we have had a few dialogs about post quality and content you find reliable, so I was trying to figure out where I went wrong this time :)

  • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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    2 days ago

    One more question - Did your total bodyweight go up, or stay the same?

    Are we just talking about the Tanita body fat % changing, and not your total weight?

    • psudOPMEnglish
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      2 days ago

      Weight went up, scale reports muscle stayed the same, fat went up, +4kg over the xmas period and the two months before. Still no problem with dangerous organ fat, my waist is about 5cm smaller than my hips.

      4kg isn’t a lot given I’m 188cm tall

      • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Ok, that makes sense.

        1.33kg a month, gotcha.

        Yeah my advice would be the same: Eat fatty meals, but don’t make the meal unless your hungry. If you have a scale at home you can do daily measurements to look at the trend line. If you have to drink alcohol switch over to the zero carb liquors.

    • psudOPMEnglish
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      2 days ago

      I was so fat when I ate vegetables. Even low carb vegetables, but especially when eating potato, carrot, and bread

      I went from 115kg to 88kg eating exactly what I eat now (though lower fat while I was super fat, high fat once I was under 95kg), I just don’t get as much exercise as I did so I need to reduce energy, and since I eat the most fatty beef available (except the stuff fed grain that would have been better pointed to human food)

      I feel that recommending vegetables is a banable offence in this community, but Jet seems gentler than me

      @jet please may I swing the banhammer? Maybe for 2 days or so?

      • totallynotjet@lemm.eeMEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Oh yeah, Rule 1, Rule 4 violations!

        Recommending vegetables is fine; Downvoting your post, then telling you to stop eating meat isn’t respecting your choices or being nice.

        It is possible to eat too much protein beyond what your body wants, and it could get converted into glucose, you could check with a ketone meter; but the obvious feedback loop would be if your forcing yourself to finish your meal.