People will never learn to not preorder games. I have no hope for humanity at this point.
Queue the “internet people are a vocal minority” saying. Unfortunately, it really is true. How anyone can pre-order after fo76 is absolutely bonkers to me
well. yeah. i know people don’t like to hear it, because it’d be really nice if games shipped actually finished or not incredibly bug-ridden Day 1, but for most people the protest of not preordering a game so it’ll shipped finish just… doesn’t register as a concern. unless the game is so broken it’s actively unplayable (see the recent Gollum game) most people can hang with whatever happens Day 1 and it’s not a super big deal to them, nor is the principle of a playable game on launch. this is a case of online sentiment being a vocal but clear minority.
Yeah but Bethesda?! Release a big ridden game? Unthinkable.
/s
Its not a protest its common sense.
I dont know the product. I wait for the review embargo to lift. Then i wait for AT LEAST release day to hear if its broken/servers are down (hello diablo 4) or its just shit.
I can still literally buy, download and play it that same day if its amazing.
Yep!!! A game forum is a subsection of a subsection of people who actually play video games on the regular. The biggest groups of “gamers” are people like my cousin who buy the new FIFA, NBA2k and COD that come out every year.
On top of this Bethesda is one of the biggest game companies out there. It’s easy to forget because Skyrim was forever ago, but that game was so fucking huge that people I knew who didn’t care a single lick about video games asked me when “the dragon game” was coming out and if I was gonna get it and if they should get it too. I’m already getting messages from non-gaming friends asking me when starfield is coming out. The game’s gonna be explosive in popularity when it drops.
I hear ya. At the same time, I’m very happy to wait a year or more to buy the game with all DLCs are a discount.
I know that doesn’t change the fact the studios are banking on pre-orders to finish funding the game, but I’m doing my part… As little as it is.
I hear ya. At the same time, I’m very happy to wait a year or more to buy the game with all DLCs are a discount
Exactly my thoughts. It makes no sense to me buying a Bethesda game, knowing there will be DLCs that usually do not go on sale. So you pay full price for everything or are forced to buy that base game twice with a GOTY release.
I am years behind with Bethesda games, but once you are behind, you are not. I always have a good title in my stash to play :-)
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I will be a day 1 pirate. Starrrrfield. 🦜🏴☠️
Lol I recall preordering Cyberpunk 2077
Stop. Preordering.
100%. I’m a diehard Bethesda RPG fan, but never ever preorder. I’ll never understand the stupidity in doing this.
I also got hyped and joined the launch day queues when i was a kid. But then we as a community got burned again and again.
Like even the most casual gamer must get pissed off by broken servers.
Honestly I think this is a considerable portion of pre-orders. We didn’t have too much money when I was a kid so having something pre-ordered, knowing that when it comes out I’ll for sure get it, felt really good. Those were the ODST, Battlefront 2 (original) and Oblivion days, though.
Times have changed since, and even to kid me I’m pretty sure how buggy these games tend to be would annoy me.
At the end of the day, it’s a constant battle in my head between “let people enjoy things and do what they want with their own money” and “their spending actively lets companies know it’s ok to do this over and over again, delivering buggy messes that will affect game series I enjoy” lol.
The people that preorder clearly aren’t listening
The people that preorder clearly aren’t listening
Or they are listening and just don’t care.
Like at least find out if the planets are any good first and not just 32 procedurally generated flavors of bear asses to collect.
I feel like mods would liven those planets up, but even then, I’m still expecting starfield to be very buggy.
The only thing they showed as a quest there was collecting bear asses from generic dialog with a scientist so that’s not a great sign. I can live with bugginess but if the content isn’t compelling why am I playing? if the content is compelling enough I’ll deal with a lot of bugs.
This is the part that really worried me. They were talking about how the planets are procedurally generated but have the little “environmental narrative” elements that Bethesda is known for. So I thought, okay, maybe they procedurally generated 1000 planets and then populated them by hand with quests, NPCs, etc.
Then they go on to talk about how “your experience on a planet may be different from your friend’s experience on the same planet,” and they show an obviously procedurally generated fetch-quest from a generic NPC. So I’m getting the feeling that anything to do with the main story or the main faction quests is done by hand, but everything else in the game is just going to be procedurally generated nonsense. I could be wrong, but it’s worrying.
I’m expecting (if the game is made like a better Bethesda game) good story, good enough combat, and enough bugs to keep Mortein in business for the next decade alone.
Why are people advising against pre-ordering? Is Bethesda known for not meeting expected release dates?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y
Basically, preordering incentivizes companies to release games that are not finished. In general, companies will always maximize revenues while minimizing costs. If they can release a game that didn’t cost them as much to produce (getting massive preorders through good marketing but pinching development and quality) then they absolutely will. look at any AAA released this year
It’s a digital good, there’s no scarcity and a lot of them turn out buggy or just bad.
Why are people buying products that they can’t even have until release day?
That and preordering a digital product that literally can’t run out has no benefits.
You just put down money for something without any idea what you’re getting.Preordering physical copies used to be a thing because shops would run out of them.
IMO it’s generally not a great idea to pre-order anyway because it’s not like they can ever run out, plus you never know what’s going to happen on launch day. The game could be a big mess like Cyberpunk was, or the servers could go down because everyone’s downloading at once so then there’d be no point paying to get it on day 1 anyway.
And on top of that, Bethesda has a bit of a reputation for putting out games that are… let’s say unpolished on release day. I usually find the best approach is to leave it for a day or two, see what people are saying about it online, and then pick it up if you really want to.
I think one reason is that Bethesda’s previous game’s, Fallout 76’s, release didn’t go very smoothly. Not at all smoothly. Internet Historian has a good video about that: The Fall of 76
I feel lucky. The only game I have ever pre-ordered was Battlefield 3 for PS3. Considering it’s EA and Frostbite was relatively new, I really lucked out
They never learn do they ?
My tactic of waiting a year until a newly released game is fully patched and grabbing it with a discount has yet to fail me.
Not like I have the time to play the games I already have anyway!
I’ve just switched over to watching games being played on Twitch. I can enjoy all the latest games, at max settings (minus the 1080p twitch encoding), and divert my attention to other things simultaneously.
(For visibility and sharing)
Let’s not kid ourselves, Bethesda depends on the unofficial patches and mods to really make their games working and shining. A year or two is mandatory for their games. 😅
Nope. And everybody will scream cause they payed 70 bucks for a broken game, just like Bethesda is known to produce.
Just keep looking at the list. Payday 3 is also there. A publisher known for maybe a worse dlc and microtransaction policy than EA with the Sims, but it seems that doesn’t matter a bit.
DON’T PREORDER SHIT YOU STUPID
Well this is sad.
insert here the definition of insanity lol
Every year it’s the same thing with pre orders
especially from a Bethesda game
Preordering is dumb, preordering in 2023 when it’s 50/50 whether any given PC port is going to be a total mess is dumb
At least they can refund?
Really depends on the platform I suppose. Steam does a good job at that. Xbox or 3rd party key sellers? Not as much.
For sure. Guess I’m saying I can’t fault people too much for preordering on Steam for the preorder bonuses since they can refund if the PC version is horribly optimized or the game is bad. Not my strategy, but I understand it
Rule 1 of Bethesda. Don’t pre order Rule 1 if space games. Don’t pre order
did no one learn from No Man’s Sky at launch like??
$70 for a Bethesda game that will come out broken is just insane to me. I’ll pick it up a year or so after release at a discount when the game is actually decent
IDK about a year for me personally, as when it doesn’t massively disappoint when it comes out I will likely get it as soon as I have anything resembling a free day. Nothing like cracking into a new game after you know it won’t disappoint and you have post of time to loose yourself.
Nah Bethesda games are best left alone until the modders get a solid crack at it to shore up bugs and add features that probably should’ve been in the base game. Give that shit at least half a year imo
undefined> esda games are best left alone until the modders get a solid crack at it to shore up bugs and add features that probably should’ve been in the base game. Give that shit at least half a year imo
I definitely love the mods that the community makes for Bethesda games, but I have also enjoyed many of their games without them… I will often do a vanilla play through prior to doing any mods.
I played Oblivion and Skyrim right at release and had a good time with both (more with Oblivion though).
I played Gothic 1, 2 and 3 though, so I am used to games with really ugly bugs. The ones where your saved stage can get corrupted in a way that you have to load one from several hours back to correct a mistake to be able to proceed. So my threshold might be higher.
Gothic 3 was so broken it was impossible to get it to even run on my PC.
It took me 8 years but I finally got a refund when the Australian Consumer Commission won against Valve over their anti-consumer practices.
Same thing I do with Far Cry games
Wait until it’s on a deep discount, then pick it up and hopefully enjoy it.
FC6, despite some of its flaws, was definitely worth the $10 I paid for it.
It’d be bad enough if this were just another AAA over hyped deal.
This is literally Bethesda. What are these people smoking?
They probably don’t care about the issues. Unless it’s Cyberpunk levels of bad, I’ll probably play it on day one
Cyberpunk wasn’t even that bad to be honest, except on last gen consoles and the reviews said as much. (When the reviews came out the day before release day. Nice embargo from CDprojekt.)
I played on PC day one and never had any gamebreaking bugs, just a few hilarious NPC clipping incidents.
It was unplayable on my current gen console.
Gotta be honest, if Cyberpunk “wasn’t that bad” then Bethesda games should be getting praised for how few bugs they have
I played on Stadia, which was basically the PC game. I had a few game breaking bugs that required me to revert to old saves. Also, there was an inventory bug that corrupted save files…. Luckily I never had that issue, since I’m not a vault hoarder.
That said, it was generally fun and played well. It needed some patches, but it wasn’t anywhere near the disaster that PS4 / XBone was.
People don’t care about Bethesda games being janky and buggy at launch. Its part of their charm honestly.
Such charm when i cant play the game I paid hard earned money for 🥰
If this gets us another Internet Historian video on the fallout, then this is worth it.
- Pun unintended.
His video was great. Not sure if anyone noticed when they were showcasing the game they were showing console games and cut off right before they fully showed F76 LMAO
I noticed that as well, made me laugh lol
I won’t even consider buying until it’s been out for at least a year or two. By then the major bugs will have been fixed and all the content added.
People still preorder games at full price even after all the controversies… Ngl the game looks sexy and may be a big hit but the price is a big no
Yea I mean, no wonder the companies have no incentive to avoid a broken day one release. The internet never learns.
I won’t lie I only preordered because I wanted the 5 day early play. My excuse though is that I literally have not preordered a game since we still needed to get them from Gamestop and I’ve been waiting for Starfield for like 5 years now.
I almost bought the early play version of diablo 4, took a lot for me not to buckle. Im going to wait before buying starfield, see how the release goes, hoping the game is a huge success because the latest gameplay sure got my attention
You’ve been waiting 5 years and can’t wait another 5 days?
Yes.
Why are people preordering a DIGITAL, BETHESDA game?! It’s still the Creation Engine (Creation Engine 2 so hopefully they fixed it!) so it’s probably gonna be a buggy mess at release.
Fallout 76 PTSD intensifies
Why are people preordering a DIGITAL, BETHESDA game?! It’s still the Creation Engine (Creation Engine 2 so hopefully they fixed it!) so it’s probably gonna be a buggy mess at release.
Unlike many online gaming communities, there are many people in the world that enjoy playing video games. So, when they see a game that looks fun to play, they buy it or pre-order it.
I love how you imply people here don’t enjoy playing videogames, when in reality we do, we just expect a 70 dollar product to fucking work.
What you’re describing is called being a “consumer whore” and is the #1 reason unregulated capitalism will always lead to our demise. Consumers are morons and will willingly pay full price for some broken loot box addled bullshit because they didn’t learn from the last fifteen times they got burned when preordering.
Buying is different to preordering.
I would not buy a broken mess. Why would I preorder it
I was going to buy it anyways, even if it’s a mess. If I spend the money now, the game feels free later.
I actually haven’t preordered it and might not, but this is how I felt about Mass Effect Legendary Edition, and Bethesda games are at the same tier for me. I have hundreds of hours in every game since Morrowind; I’ll eventually get my money’s worth.
If I spend the money now, the game feels free later.
“If I pay full price for a sub par product now, it feels like a free upgrade when they finally give me what they told me I’d get six months ago!”
Do you also punch yourself in the nutsack because when it feels so good when you stop?
Thanks for your concern, but I think I understand my own enjoyment of things and my financial situation better than an internet stranger.
I’ve preordered two games in the last decade and I regretted neither (ME:LE and FO4). If I regret this one, I’ll get over it.
Thanks for continuing to be a part of the problem with videogame development and the reason AAA gaming is a disaster 👍
They maybe think it can go out of stock ahahah
I mean jokes aside, usually preordering digital titles lets you preload most of the content several days before the release. If you don’t have high speed internet, or have a restrictive daily cap - this can give you a leg up on a purchase you were going to day1 buy anyway.
Then on release it just activates your license and then you can spend most of release day playing the game versus waiting for it to download.
I’m really excited as well, but man… Don’t think I’ve preordered anything in… Like ten years?
On reddit, there was a sub I sometimes frequented called /r/patientgamers. Was good to have some compatriots in either waiting for sales or just enjoying old games because they’re still fun.
Only two times did I relent and buy games at full price over the last few years. BOTW and Spider-Man PS4 (which I actually just got bundled with my late entry into owning a PS4).
Considering this is Bethesda, as much as I like them, I might just renew my Game Pass subscription for this, rather than pay full price. (Side note: I’m 100% expecting the Game Pass price to jump just before Starfield is released.)
Once it’s on sale, I’ll get it on Steam because I can guarantee the modding scene is going to have way more freedom there than they’ll have with the Windows Store version.
So maybe play it near release on GP, buy it a few months later on Steam.
It’ll take a few months for major mods to start hitting the scene anyway because they won’t release the Creation Kit immediately. Of course, a lot of mods will be out there within a few days, but I’m expecting it to be mostly unofficial patches (thank fuck the community has agreed on ignoring Arthmoor and doing it with open permissions this time) and silly nonsense like replacing models or whatever, plus a few cheaty things here and there.
That community exists on Lemmy. I think Lemmy.ml.
Not related at all, but it’s a funny feeling having signed up to one of the smaller servers and seeing it mentioned, being like “that’s where I’m from” insert Leonardo DiCaprio pointing meme
I honestly mostly picked that one because of the name: shit just works
also https://browse.feddit.de/ for a good community search thing. found this on another post and found patient gamers from it.
I still remember the last game I pre-ordered. Halo: The Master Chief Collection. Game straight up didn’t work for like 6 months. And they promised all this free shit to us who bought it day one, but those of us who got it digitally didn’t qualify, so we didn’t get it. Even though I asked a Microsoft store rep if we qualified and they said yes. They later said no.
Never again for me.
Welcome to Microsoft. I’m convinced that they have people on their staff whose job it is to make the customer experience worse just because that’s part of their brand identity.
At least if you pre-order with steam, you can get a refund according to their normal policies if the game doesn’t meet your expectations.
Though the only advantage tends to be preloading the game plus whatever bullshit bonus games tend to come with when you pre-order.
