Ambush motion, introduced by David Crisafulli, aimed at preventing potential public disunity in LNP ranks by ensuring MPs won’t be forced into a conscience vote
Just because YOU think it’s ambiguous doesn’t mean other people have to agree with you.
You can’t debate your way out of this no matter how hard you want too.
If you’re firmly set upon your opinion, as is your right as an autonomous individual, then you’re just going to have to get used to the fact that other people won’t ever agree with you. You have no right to demand an agreement.
If you’re firmly set upon your opinion, as is your right as an autonomous individual, then you’re just going to have to get used to the fact that other people won’t ever agree with you. You have no right to demand an agreement.
That’s totally fine. If you want to leave it there, I’m not going to stop you. But that means you have to agree that others can make up their own mind. If you want to “agree to disagree”, that goes both ways. It means being pro choice because it’s about the individual’s choice even if you don’t agree with it.
And second, you conveniently never bothered responding to my comment above. Possibly because, in fact, you “can’t debate your way out of this no matter how hard you want too”. Whether or not we agree a foetus is alive is irrelevant. Because you are attempting to argue that if it is alive, it is also possible for one person to be entitled to leach off of someone else’s body without them having a say in the matter. That’s unconscionable, no matter which way you slice it.
I don’t know if the use of the word ‘leach’ is good here. I don’t agree with the troll. But it is an emotional subject, and thats a pretty emotive word to use.
If the foetus is unwanted, it’s the definition of a leach. It sucks resources away in order to sustain itself. Both a foetus and the famous violinist are quite literally leaching off the life of their subject.
You don’t seem to get it. You don’t “agree to disagree” on murder.
If you want to wield the powers of government to silence people who are outraged over the murder of babies, then you’re going to have to live with the fact there are people out there who see you that way.
No, you don’t get it. You can’t tell people they have to respect your opinion and then turn around and say 'you don’t “agree to disagree” ’ with them.
Also, you don’t seem to know what’s actually going on here, do you? Without re-reading the article, what exactly do you think happened here?
And again, answer the question. Why do you think the government should force a person to allow someone else to leech off of their body? If I get a rare blood disease, and you are the only person with compatible blood, should I be allowed to tie you to me by a cord for 9 months while your blood runs into me? If you’re not going to engage with the criticism, just shut up. Stop talking. Because the longer this goes on, the more it becomes clear you’re not interested in engaging.
You don’t have to respect my opinion. I never claimed you did. You do, however, have to live in a world in which it does exist. And if you want to wield the powers of government to silence others who share it, then you have to live in a world in which you have wielded the powers of government to silence people who speak out against the murder of babies.
Do whatever you feel is right, but don’t go around pretending you haven’t done it.
If you’re firmly set upon your opinion, as is your right as an autonomous individual, then you’re just going to have to get used to the fact that other people won’t ever agree with you. You have no right to demand an agreement.
Bub, that cuts both ways. Why you feel the need to pretend otherwise and scream for approval is beyond me.
I don’t know why you think I’m seeking approval. I’m pointing out that the bit about this move seeking unity is bullshit. It’s fully abandoning the pursuit of unity, with dictatorial overtones as a replacement. You don’t achieve unity by wielding the powers of government to silence your critics.
If it’s not “ambiguous” every sperm cell spent that doesn’t fertilise an egg is murder. As is every unfertilised egg. Otherwise at some point a fertilised egg goes from being a sperm and an egg into a transition to life. I have no problem disagreeing but I’m happy people without basic science education aren’t dictating to women what they do with their bodies. No debate needed.
Just because YOU think it’s ambiguous doesn’t mean other people have to agree with you.
You can’t debate your way out of this no matter how hard you want too.
If you’re firmly set upon your opinion, as is your right as an autonomous individual, then you’re just going to have to get used to the fact that other people won’t ever agree with you. You have no right to demand an agreement.
Two problems with this comment.
First:
That’s totally fine. If you want to leave it there, I’m not going to stop you. But that means you have to agree that others can make up their own mind. If you want to “agree to disagree”, that goes both ways. It means being pro choice because it’s about the individual’s choice even if you don’t agree with it.
And second, you conveniently never bothered responding to my comment above. Possibly because, in fact, you “can’t debate your way out of this no matter how hard you want too”. Whether or not we agree a foetus is alive is irrelevant. Because you are attempting to argue that if it is alive, it is also possible for one person to be entitled to leach off of someone else’s body without them having a say in the matter. That’s unconscionable, no matter which way you slice it.
I don’t know if the use of the word ‘leach’ is good here. I don’t agree with the troll. But it is an emotional subject, and thats a pretty emotive word to use.
If the foetus is unwanted, it’s the definition of a leach. It sucks resources away in order to sustain itself. Both a foetus and the famous violinist are quite literally leaching off the life of their subject.
You don’t seem to get it. You don’t “agree to disagree” on murder.
If you want to wield the powers of government to silence people who are outraged over the murder of babies, then you’re going to have to live with the fact there are people out there who see you that way.
No, you don’t get it. You can’t tell people they have to respect your opinion and then turn around and say 'you don’t “agree to disagree” ’ with them.
Also, you don’t seem to know what’s actually going on here, do you? Without re-reading the article, what exactly do you think happened here?
And again, answer the question. Why do you think the government should force a person to allow someone else to leech off of their body? If I get a rare blood disease, and you are the only person with compatible blood, should I be allowed to tie you to me by a cord for 9 months while your blood runs into me? If you’re not going to engage with the criticism, just shut up. Stop talking. Because the longer this goes on, the more it becomes clear you’re not interested in engaging.
You don’t have to respect my opinion. I never claimed you did. You do, however, have to live in a world in which it does exist. And if you want to wield the powers of government to silence others who share it, then you have to live in a world in which you have wielded the powers of government to silence people who speak out against the murder of babies.
Do whatever you feel is right, but don’t go around pretending you haven’t done it.
Ok, you’re clearly a troll. You’ve had more than enough chances to engage in good faith. Blocking now.
Tbh I thought it was pretty obvious they were trolling after about their 2nd comment
You’re just going to have to get used to the fact that other people won’t ever agree with you. You have no right to demand an agreement.
Now you’re getting it!
Bub, that cuts both ways. Why you feel the need to pretend otherwise and scream for approval is beyond me.
I don’t know why you think I’m seeking approval. I’m pointing out that the bit about this move seeking unity is bullshit. It’s fully abandoning the pursuit of unity, with dictatorial overtones as a replacement. You don’t achieve unity by wielding the powers of government to silence your critics.
If it’s not “ambiguous” every sperm cell spent that doesn’t fertilise an egg is murder. As is every unfertilised egg. Otherwise at some point a fertilised egg goes from being a sperm and an egg into a transition to life. I have no problem disagreeing but I’m happy people without basic science education aren’t dictating to women what they do with their bodies. No debate needed.