• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    8510·
    7 days ago

    Ummm we still have like 5 million votes to count in california alone, stop posting incomplete statistics as if they are comparable to previous years full statistics

    • LovableSidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      6 days ago

      Ummm the votes aren’t counted but they have been received and accepted, which means the voters’ names and parties are known. We were getting numbers of voters by party for weeks before election day as mail-in ballots were received. But you’re getting a lot of upvotes so clearly you must be right anyway.

        • Donkter@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          6 days ago

          I get what your saying and I agree, but it’s funny/sad that you could add all 5 million of those votes to the Dems and the graphic would still be making the same point.

            • Donkter@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              6 days ago

              Well for one thing, it would go to a 7.5% decrease not sure where you split the hairs on that and as I mentioned that would be in the best case scenario where every last one of those 5 million votes went to Harris, which they wouldn’t. Comparing any of those to a .75% change makes it nuts.

        • LovableSidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          Again, this isn’t vote counts it’s votes by party. We were getting these counts before election day as ballots were received, because they are validated upon receipt, thus identifying the voter and their party before counting who they voted for.

  • Snapz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    715·
    7 days ago

    “When someone shows you who they are, believe them…”

    They’ve told you with the “eating the dogs” comments and hundreds of other examples… They aren’t afraid to confidently lie to win…

    They’ve told you they believe they are in a way that they would die and kill to win…

    Remember, years of false, unsubstantiated outrage is meant to dilute challenge to actual crimes and horror. Some things to think about…

    And here’s more about voting systems experts that tried to warn early about potential issues like this

    We can have measured confirmation, without conspiracy. We will review this election and make evidence-based arguments.

    The richest man in the world owns thousands of SW engineers that remain in his companies (after all with any morality have been purged through years of labor abuse). He joked with carlson about how he was completely fucked if trump didn’t win. What do you think the richest man in the world is capable of in that moment?

  • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
    758·
    7 days ago

    People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or “other guy bad” simply isn’t enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.

    • Bruncvik@lemmy.worldEnglish
      304·
      7 days ago

      One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: “The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was.” I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.

      • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        144·
        7 days ago

        Honestly not even Kamala said how good she was, most of what she was asked she immediately turned into “Trump bad”.

        • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
          5·
          6 days ago

          Honestly a lot of the questions in interviews were she did that, she was given a tough question that had the easy out of taking the more progressive stance but instead of giving a firm answer she’d attack Trump, presumably because she didn’t want to be too “radical” in supporting policies that voters generally like

    • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      6 days ago

      Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.

    • Xatolos@reddthat.comEnglish
      91·
      7 days ago

      The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places “to make sure it’s a fair election”, Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.

      This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.

      (And this also doesn’t include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what’s on file.)

    • Resonosity@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      Truly spoken.

      Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.

      Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes

    • Wahots@pawb.socialEnglish
      67·
      7 days ago

      Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a “great recession”, I’m very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.

      No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.

      • BallsandBayonets@lemmings.worldEnglish
        12·
        7 days ago

        And that’ll work exactly once, just like it did in 2020. Then after four more years of compromising with fascism, it won’t work again, and they’ll lose to the greater evil.

        Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.

        • babybus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          7·
          7 days ago

          Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.

          Absolutely. One Russian opposition politician described Putin’s first term by saying: “We thought we could get rid of him in the next elections.” But that didn’t happen as we know. When someone comes to power and quickly removes checks and balances, it becomes very difficult to reverse that. Democracy is not guaranteed, even in the US.

    • Aaron@lemmy.nzEnglish
      112·
      6 days ago

      The others are saying no one cares or they don’t matter, but they do if that’s where those “missing” votes went

      • Ebber@lemmings.worldEnglish
        7·
        6 days ago

        According to Wikipedia data, it’s a decrease of 0.3 percentage points from 1.9% in 2020 to 1.6% of votes that didn’t go democrat or republican.

        Though 5% of the votes are still not reported, so that might change still.

    • BaldManGoomba@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      In all the swing states they were less than the difference between the two parties.

      Eessentially Democrats last i checked and calculated on Friday lost 4 swing states that would change the outcome by around 250k votes.

  • Tikiporch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    7 days ago

    How did 10 million fewer Democrat voters, only +500k to Republicans, but have basically the same high voter turnout?

  • randon31415@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    6 days ago

    I can believe that Trump won on the backs of “people voting only for Trump and no one else on the ballot”, since Trump was running far ahead of all the other republican candidates. Means once Trump dies of old age, there will be a power vacuum. Remember, democrats have run two women and Biden in the decade span that republicans have only ran Trump.

  • takeheart@lemmy.worldEnglish
    44·
    6 days ago

    Hey this is neat, but can you include lines to relate it to the number of eligible voters?

      • takeheart@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        So I just checked, but couldn’t find any data yet for 2024. The US Census Bureau has data online up to 2022, same for Statista. Judging from the past releases it would take a year or so for the information to be compiled and released. Looks like we’ll have to wait.

    • Fosheze@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 days ago

      No. Why would they? Even if everyone voted (which isn’t even remotely close to being true) populations also change.

      • randomdeadguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        Populations change from birth, death, emigration and immigration. I highly doubt more democrats than republicans died/emigrated/abstained. It is much more likely that this skewed data is due to something else

  • DashboTreeFrog@discuss.onlineEnglish
    1925·
    7 days ago

    Cool! Key takeaway for me from this is Trump didn’t get more popular, Dems just got way less popular. Kind of brings a bit of my hope in humanity back a little

    • hobovision@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      When the final count is done, the sad news is that he did get more popular. And the wildest thing is the demographics that he got more popular with.

    • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      It’s actually crazy to see how little his numbers changed. Like, in the grand scheme of things, they didn’t change at all. 500,000 more people. Across the country. That’s nominal.

      If the democrats continue to push this narrative that “swing voters” decided this election, we know we are well and truly fucked.

        • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          7 days ago

          Even more so in 2024, since we now saw exactly how he would be. He’s added 37 felony counts, the whole classified documents debacle, and more to his resume.

          • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
            241·
            7 days ago

            Let’s not forget the deaths of over a million Americans due to a wholly inadequate pandemic response. But I stand by what I said, I already lost faith in 2016. It was apparent who he is back then and I am beyond disappointed in my fellow Americans.

            • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
              82·
              7 days ago

              While Trump did a lot of shit, i am not sure if we can count the pandemic deaths on his cap. Looking at most European countries, they didn’t fare that much better. China with their full crackdown strategy seemed to only have delayed the pandemic to a later point and then just kept lying about their numbers. There is no way that China only had half a million cases.

              https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

              Sort by “deaths per 1M pop”. The only clear indication is that countries that are known to be “poor” have much lower numbers, which probably has to do with a younger population on the one hand and a lack of consistent analysis and data aggregation on the other hand.

              Trumps response definitely sucked and less people could have died, but realistically nowhere near the 1 Million. Especially as the US economy is relentless on poor people, so they have to work, no matter what. Anything short of seizing the billionaires wealth to keep the economy afloat would have kept the problem of economy vs. health. And no country did that afaik. For the US it would be unfathomable no matter the administration.

          • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
            31·
            7 days ago

            It was never about him - well, certainly by 2020 - so much as it was to pwn the libs of “the other side”.

            Democrats did not listen, once again, while Republicans did listen - each to their respective bases, i.e. Republicans were the better liars.

            • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              7 days ago

              so much as it was to pwn the libs of “the other side”.

              This sort of attitude did not really exist in the same way before Trump.

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                3·
                7 days ago

                Yeah it existed but as a minor theme - certainly it was an argument against the playboy Bill Clinton. Then liberals tried to use it against Bush after 9/11 and the wars though it didn’t take, and it also seemed to be a good at least half of Kamala’s current strategy.

                But as the billionaires have bought out each of the “news” organizations and converted them into for-profit machines, the attitude seems to have risen to the foreground to the point of being virtually the entirety of the argument to vote a certain way. i.e. ignore Trump’s being a convicted rapist and felon, and instead just pay attention to how Kamala will not do enough to lower the prices of eggs, even while forcing parents to allow their kids to come home as fully trans after deciding to get the surgery on a whim at school one day.

    • ieightpi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1910·
      7 days ago

      Still kinda sucks that the Dems lost popularity. I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.

      • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        26·
        7 days ago

        Not only every single polling data indicates otherwise, but lots of analysis are also identifying Harris’ interview on the View, where she stated that “nothing comes to mind” when they asked her what would she have done differently from Biden as one her campaigns biggest blunders.

        • seaQueue@lemmy.worldEnglish
          23·
          7 days ago

          Their focus on everything but the economy during the campaign killed them. If they’d announced a major economic stimulus campaign to get folks back to where they were before the pandemic they’d have won. That gaffe on The View pegged Kamala as completely out of touch with what’s going on for working class people (who are struggling, and have been struggling for quite some time.)

          From what I could tell the campaign platform was “We’re not trump, and btw we support women and we ❤️ PoC/LGBTQ+” (which is essentially the same campaign Hillary ran and lost with.)

          They didn’t brag about how many jobs they created with the infrastructure spending acts and didn’t announce any further plans to keep that going. If they did then they certainly failed to fill the air with it. There was no message of change and hope which, let’s be honest, after 35+y of leaving the bottom 80% out of the Wall St economy a huge number of people were waiting to hear.

          • Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish
            7·
            7 days ago

            Also “we love PoC” comes off as quite cynical as they support slaughtering brown people en masse and denied them to even speak about it while still wanting to endorse Harris. Meanwhile the white people whose country is doing the slaughter got a prominent place on stage to talk about their grievances.

        • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          I don’t see how her statement can be considered a blunder in a world where the winner jacked off his microphone, had a full on dementia sundowning episode during a town hall, and espoused at length about the hog Arnold Palmer was crankin’.

          What was Kamala gonna do to top that? Peg JD’s favorite couch on stage, and then motorboat Cardi B while Carmen plays in the background?

      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        536·
        7 days ago

        It isn’t hard for me to believe that 1 in 8 people would refuse to vote for someone because their gender or color.

        On a side note, I’m getting older and losing touch with new music, but are women’s punk rock bands not as popular as I once remember them being or what? The world could use a little more fuck the patriarchy.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          5·
          7 days ago

          Somehow Kamala is the patriarchy though?!:-P

          Not as much as The Donald, ofc, but Kamala came across as being basically the same as Joe Biden, or at least it looks like that was what she was aiming for.

          • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            16·
            7 days ago

            It doesn’t help anything but if you consider that our population grew by 6 million during that time and 22% (kids) can’t vote. Then say that only 46% of the population votes… Trump should have had right over 2 million more votes this election, aka he lost votes when accounting for population growth.

          • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3·
            7 days ago

            Anyone you mind sharing? Id like to see what’s out there, plus I figure if you get 1 name to start with that’s decent, some streaming apps might find songs similar.

            When I listen to punk these days it’s always older music, but I figure that is just the algorithms thinking it’s what I want because I started it with an older band/song.

            I also should move on from Pandora at some point. I had the cracked version of Spotify for a bit, but never bothered reinstalling after I cracked my phone screen setting it down on a hotel bedside table. It couldn’t have fallen more than 2-3 inches. I wanted to blame it on the top being fake marble or something, but in the end the fault was mine.

            • tedd_deireadh@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              7 days ago

              Here are some of my favorites

              • Amyl and the Sniffers
              • Destroy Boys
              • Die Spitz
              • Lambrini Girls
              • Mannequin Pussy
              • VIAL
            • niucllos@lemm.eeEnglish
              5·
              7 days ago

              Sorry, deleted my comment because I realized the bands I was thinking of weren’t really punk necessarily, though they are counterculture. I really like Speedy Ortiz–they’ve toured with some big names like Liz Phair, and recently did a Tiny Desk concert. A few months ago i saw them live and a band called Suzie True opened, which is a little introspective about problems still but I think has a ton of potential to write some banger callout /protest songs and I’ve really enjoy listening to them.

      • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        125·
        7 days ago

        Honestly there’s almost no way a sitting president gains popularity but considering his stance on Israel and stuff he sure as hell would lose some. I honestly don’t think it would have been better.

        Maybe being more policy specific would have helped Kamala. But the Democrats just have so much PR damage they haven’t addressed over time, they are not doing themselves any favors. Humility can be an incredible thing but if you’re a politician being humble is the hardest thing to fake, so if you’re not, you’re not gonna try if you’re smart enough.

        As a leftist (not in the US though) we just gotta take the L and that’s that. I’ll be waiting for the drop in support for Republicans after the fact and the following damage report from Rumpsteak’s presidency. Let’s just hope we get a competent cleaning crew to deal with the damage.

        Also reminder that I’m on the hindsight 20/20 high horse so it’s very easy to criticize, but I genuinely thought Kamala had a chance and it was a good idea so it’s not like I make a good oracle lol.

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          161·
          7 days ago

          I’m always confused by the need for the Democrats to be more policy specific, when they’re the only party that actually shares any policy.
          I feel like people aren’t saying they’re unsure of the specifics of Kamala’s policy points, so they’re going to instead vote for the guy who rambles incoherently for an hour about evil Mexicans.

          • Protoknuckles@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            7 days ago

            I think this shows a lot of potential Kamala voters chose not to vote, instead of going to the orange Julius. Democrats have to be more specific with policy because leftists demand it. The right (Trumps base) doesn’t care.

            • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              3·
              6 days ago

              It’s great to know theyre complete jackasses who would rather take trump than someone who represents 70% of what they want.

              Very comforting, very logical.

            • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              6 days ago

              I’d be curious to know how many left the vote blank because of the gencodie, but they will never collect or report on such a statistic. Its forbidden, even now.

  • ceenote@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1293·
    7 days ago

    Dems unmistakeably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but it beggars belief that all the indictments and treason didn’t undermine Trump’s popularity any. The right-wing media machine must be one of the most effective brainwashing apparatuses ever to exist.

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
      17·
      7 days ago

      They didn’t vote “for him” so he didn’t matter, they voted instead against trans athletes and forced child trans surgeries and whatever other manufactured conspiracy theories were peddled confidently.

      • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        It’s more about the puberty blockers than surgery. That’s the focus from my media sources.

        Are they doing surgeries on kids too?

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          11·
          6 days ago

          Oh you know how it is - they throw just a ton of stuff out there in order to see what will stick. Yeah puberty blockers are among them - and ngl that is kinda messed up if a doctor is trying to push something that dangerous onto a child (established trans communities in the EU even agree on that point - yikes, how bad does something have to be when even the conservatives manage to piece together a half-assed understanding that something is dangerous!?).

          But there’s so much more - trans athletes being in the same bathroom and how unfair it is that e.g. a testosterone-having person can compete on identical grounds as one lacking that. That one too is a hot topic of contention even outside of conservative circles as well.

          The surgery issue was more like “gender-affirming care offered at a school”, and iirc it was mostly a purely hypothetical, b/c since when is America known for offering HEALTHCARE, amiright!? Also, I said “forced”, but the real thing was that the child wanted it, while the parents did not, hence you know, “forced”, b/c the parents (who own the child, fully legally) did not desire it.

          The real truths, like abortion, and the economy, and literally all other facts, kinda get buried when we begin to discuss how factual matters can best be “used” for political gains.

    • PriorityMotif@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      7 days ago

      They have perfected targeted misinformation. you should see how many fake accounts there are even in local Facebook groups. It’s crazy.

    • assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      7 days ago

      Isn’t it already known that the trump fans are zealots for him. The fact that people are shocked that they’ll turn out for him regardless of what he does surprises me. He practically said this in 2016 with his I could shoot somebody quote and he’s been proven right. The only way you beat trump is by having people turn out to vote against him and to do that you need to run an inspiring campaign.

    • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
      15·
      6 days ago

      You can call it brainwashing or whatever you like.

      To me, the fact that Trump’s indictments came as a result of enormous attention by his political rivals, during an election, gives me less respect for the implications in terms of his character.

      Like, the timing is a little suspect on these legal indictments.

      • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        What’s your stance on the about with Hilary before and during the election up to and including Trump pressing for investigation and moreso to “lock her up”.

    • RubberDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      817·
      7 days ago

      Apparently the Dems where aware of the massive popularity Trump had. Their internal polling showed him taking 400 electoral votes. At least that’s the story being brought now. If true there never was a jaws of victory, it was all posturing by the Dems. And then it’s a shame those 71M voters still came, more should have stayed home… to signal the party top brass to go fuck themselves.

      Edit: I don’t understand the down votes. The lesson dem leadership is seemingly drawing is they need to move right and abandon LGBTQ subjects. While is argue the lesson should be, move left and care about stuff like universal healthcare and job security more.

        • RubberDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          7 days ago

          Yes, and the fact that Biden stepped down and endorsed Harris, nuking a democratic primary should be seen in a completely different light then.

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      48·
      7 days ago

      He raised a ton of money immediately following the convictions, which he then use to buy world series ads. The convictions without sentencing helped him. That judge knew exactly what she was doing when she delayed sentencing. Welp, it’s after the election, so is she going to sentence him? Didn’t think so.