I don’t understand how military people support republicans. It’s their faults we lost so many children in the Middle East. As well as their fault for how little we are taking care of our soldiers who come home.
War and using the its personnel as cannon fodder is fully bipartisan
The Iraq war would not have happened if Al Gore was president. Bipartisan my ass.
Sure Jan
Is that all you got? Really though, it was a pet project for bush and cheney. There’s pre 9/11 statements that suggest they were brainstorming ways to go to Iraq. The fact the WMD shit was never prosecuted is simply a failure of our political and legal systems.
There also pre911 data showing the government was aware of the potential threat of destroying WTC during Clinton. Gore would have gone to war
Are you talking about this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
No wars were started after the first WTC attack
How do you convince regular folk who’re just trying to get by and make sense of the world? They don’t even know what they stand to lose by voting in unsafe people like most Republicans
By making sure they do not need to try, but can be sure they can get by.
These guys claim Trump is ill-informed, but how many classified documents do they have?
I’m pretty sure he hasn’t read any of the ones he’s had piled up in the bathroom.
I’ve yet to see evidence trump can read at any comprehension level, so while he has many documents, only Kid Rock and a handful of foreign spies have been able to read them.
700 more reasons to not vote for Harris.
☐ Trump
☐ HarrisPick one.
no
Then you get Trump.
Cool democracy you have there 🙄
That’s the fucking POINT. We don’t have a great democracy. We want one, but we’re currently fucked by the undemocratic electoral college, a system specifically designed to winnow our choices down to two.
So your options are a member of a rather pedestrian centrist party, or a deranged and demented monster.
If you’re not American, as implied by your comment, then you may be used to functional democratic systems. Well, we’re currently stuck with what we’ve got. So as an outsider looking in, who do you want in charge of the world’s largest military? Harris or Trump? Pick one.
No citizenry is ever stuck, at any point with the government they have. That was the entire, exclusive positive lesson to learn from the american experiment.
Democrats aren’t centrist, they’re right-wing. Harris is talking about making the most lethal military in the world, cracking down on asylum seekers at the border,.and giving unlimited support for genocide. Under Biden the number of people killed by police went up every single year and under Harris that trend will only continue.
If you want democracy you need to think outside the ballot box, because elections in the US are fucked and both parties are in on it.
What actions would you propose? Be specific.
I think we should be working to organize the anti-genocide caucus of Democrats away from the Party and form a revolutionary party that can challenge the two right-wing parties for power. I think we can do this within the unions too, the rank and file are much more radical on this issue than the leadership. There’s a huge political movement right under our feet.
Ah, so just divide the Democrats up to destroy their power. Typical.
I know I’m not going to convince you, so this is for everyone else reading this thread. Because of our shitty electoral college and FPTP system, calls for third parties on the left translate into more political power for the right. Here’s how it works…
Let’s say you have two main political parties, the Snuggling Puppies party and the Kicking Puppies party. The Snugglers usually win, because the Kickers are violent weirdos.
Then the Kickers get the bright idea of helping out fringe parties that also love puppies, like one called the Worshipping Puppies party, which takes their love of puppies to the extreme. They secretly fund and promote these other parties, and it’s very effective. In the next election, it’s so effective that the Kickers win.
Wait, what? How? It’s simple. With the people who love puppies dividing their votes between multiple candidates who love puppies, the Kickers get a plurality.
Let’s keep it simple and say the Kickers clandestinely supported three parties that are ideologically opposed to them, meaning people who love puppies divided their votes up four ways. Each of the puppy-loving parties gets 19.5% of the vote, for a pro-puppy total of 78%! But the Kickers didn’t divide up their vote, so with a 22% plurality, the winner is… The party that everyone else hates!
It’s a classic divide and conquer strategy. It only works when astroturfers manage to convince
people on the leftpuppy lovers to divide themselves up, rather than consolidate to fight back againstthe rightpeople who hate puppies.None of that is incompatible or inconsistent with a Harris victory. If this is your expressed goal and desired outcome, it is MUCH easier to do under Harris than under Trump where any action you take is more or less guaranteed to be met with responses from any number of empowered supremacist groups.
Also, I only EVER hear these revolutionary ideas and pushes during the last 6 months before an election when people proudly virtue signal about their intent not to vote for the Democrat. Just like with third parties, where is all of this political will and activity during the off-years when there’s time to actually BUILD a grassroots movement?
I’m with you. Our choices suck. The time to start doing something about that is November 6th, after the election is won and a backslide has been prevented. Build out a movement and come back in 2024 with a platform, a base, and a candidate.
organize locally for direct action
Define “direct action.” I asked for specificity. Don’t dance around what you mean, say it clearly.
That is only one of the actions. Voting is harm reduction, and done in tandem with other actions.
I don’t think equivacotion is realistic here. The GOP is actively hostile to democracy while the dems are just ambivalent to it.
They deny that this is a fascist country while also refusing to acknowledge that there are no choices. They treat politics like WWE wrestling, they cheer for their favorite wrestler when both wrestlers work for the same company
If you couldn’t figure out what Trump is in 8 years, then you’re either a fucking moron or just an evil asshole who is after personal benefits.
My mother still thinks he’s basically harmless. We have a no politics rule because his first term nearly made me cut her out of my life.
That might be the right way to deal with someone who supports ending democracy.
Don’t forget hateful racists
All those Men and Women who Served and Defended our Country are WOKE! I’m Supporting the Man who Made up an Illness to NOT Serve and then Called our Veterans Losers and Suckers!
What choice do they really have? If they believe their oath of allegiance to the Constitution.
Just saying
Foreign AND domestic, you say?
Wow, the RINO population has exploded. All that so called climate change is obviuosly good for plants/grass that they eat.
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