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      It’s really not, because a lot of left of center voters just won’t bother to vote for someone they don’t like.

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        Then frankly, they are idiots. Any foolish “protest vote” come November is just helping Trump.

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          I never said they were rational. I’m saying they matter. Calling them idiots does nothing to keep Trump out of power.

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          Maybe 2024 is the year people realize you can’t shame voters to the polls. 2016 should’ve been the year that lesson was learned, but alas, here we are.

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            i’m convinced that there are permanent blind spots that all societies have and this is the american blind spot.

            i also wonder if it spells our demise as a society as well.

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            We aren’t “protesting” anything. We are safeguarding America’s longstanding core values of democracy and the rule of law.

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                We don’t value democracy and the rule of law because they are “cute”. We value them because countries that don’t have them are a nightmare to live in.

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                  The party that sues to keep 3rd parties off the ballot, is a private corporation that can select their own candidates, and gives voters no choice but their hand selected candidate is the party of democracy?

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                    is a private corporation that can select their own candidates

                    You want the Republicans and Democrats to be public corporations? The Democratic charter has specified since the 1950’s that voters chose the candidates.

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        If you’re a progressive, Biden has been the most progressive president since Kennedy. Lol.

        If you’re not. Are you willing to have American democracy end, because you personally weren’t courted by the president?

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          Knowing EC, it’s very much the latter. In fact I suspect you should expect to be called a genocide supporter by them. Since you have dared not say something horrible about Biden.

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                Ahhh gotcha. Yeah I’m new to the site as a reddit exile and still figuring out everything here.

                Yeah, those people are just tiresome, and they have no idea how geopolitics works. It’s annoying, and one of the effects of republicans cutting funding for schools and not teaching civics anymore.

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                  I agree. And welcome to Lemmy 🙂 yesterday was my first anniversary of joining. It’s a very different place from Reddit. But it still has a lot of similar problems unfortunately. However quite a bit more can be done about it. So it’s definitely worth sticking with

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                    That’s good to hear. I had my 7 year reddit account permanently suspended for sarcastically making fun of the bot infestation, so fuck them.

                    Yeah, it’s different but it feels like an ‘older’ forum which is definitely nice!

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                Purported positions?

                Fuck, tell me what my positions are, wise and ancient omniscient one.

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                    You pretend to want to stop the killing in gaza.

                    I do want to stop the genocide you support by refusing to call it a genocide.

                    All while agitating against the best solutions for it.

                    The best solution involves Biden ceasing his support for the genocide that you also support by refusing to call it a genocide.

                    The most hilarious part was that I said pointing out your Youth and experience was not an insult.

                    You baselessly insulted me by calling me a child. And then lied and said it wasn’t an insult.

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          If you’re a progressive, Biden has been the most progressive president since Kennedy. Lol.

          Not the flex you think it is

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          Biden has been the most progressive president since Kennedy.

          LBJ was more progressive than Biden, and he took office after whom?

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            That’s up for debate. For me, he’s the most liberal since Kennedy but if you think it’s LBJ instead, that’s fine too!

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              Oh, he’s certainly the most liberal since Kennedy. But he’s not progressive except in the slogans of centrists.

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                I think that’s a no true Scotsman kind of thing. Biden has done plenty of progressive policies. He’s forgiven billions in student loan debt (and wanted to forgive more but R courts are political), he’s passed infrastructure, and he’s also passed some bills to keep the cost of medicine down.

                Could he do more? Sure. If voters showed up at the midterms and gave him a D house, he could have done more. But they didn’t.

                Way too often, people let perfect be the enemy of good. Biden is good, not perfect.

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                  Sure. If voters showed up at the midterms and gave him a D house, he could have done more. But they didn’t.

                  If Democrats had used the majorities we gave them during his first two years instead of getting in their own way, this would be a convincing argument.

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                    They did use them as best they could. They were hamstrung by a filibustering Senate, and two conservative Democrat senators (Sinema and Manchin) who refused to support getting rid of it, making killing the proposition of killing the filibuster DOA. As a result, their only choice to pass legislation was budget reconciliation, which aren’t subject to filibuster. The issue is that reconciliation has several big limits:

                    1. The bill has to be related to government spending, revenue, and the debt ceiling. You can’t toss in things like minimum wage increases or voting rights legislation.

                    2. You can only pass one of these bills per year (theoretically you can do more, but additional reconciliation bills have to go through the budgrt committee and with a 50/50 senate the GOP can just skip those meetings to deny quorum and keep it stuck)

                    3. Whatever passes still has to get at least 50 votes, which means either appeasing Manchin/Sinema or getting Republican votes (which ain’t gonna happen)

                    And despite that, we still got the CHIPS act, an infrastructure bill, and the Inflation Reduction Act, which–even with Manchinema throwing as many grenades in the process as they could get away with–was the biggest climate change bill in our country’s history. Not perfect, no, but a sizable step in the right direction, for once.

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                    Biden had numerous accomplishments from his first 2 years, lol.

                    That’s completely disingenuous.

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        With no aspirations toward better than “okay”.

        When you take the first step on, say, a hike, do you have no aspirations to take another and another?

        Or would you say… well, this first step is too hard… I’m just gonna lie down and take a nap?

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          Or would you say… well, this first step is too hard… I’m just gonna lie down and take a nap?

          That’s what the party did with the public option and increasing the minimum wage.

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            That’s what the party did with the public option and increasing the minimum wage.

            So because you didn’t get everything you want you are just gonna stamp your feet, take you ball and go home?

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              That’s EXACTLY what they do. Every four years. The Bernie bros did the same thing in 2016, and again in 2020. And these clowns think they’re pulling some new grassroots movement. They have no idea that they’re already considered to be non voters.

              They’re doing nothing. And by that I mean, they’re doing a LOT more nothing than even they think they are. Their little “protest” is completely meaningless.

              Unless their intent is to get trump elected, and for some- this is the case.

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                The Bernie bros did the same thing in 2016, and again in 2020. And these clowns think they’re pulling some new grassroots movement.

                A greater percentage of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters voted for Obama. Clinton supporters formed a PAC to get McCain elected.

                They’re doing nothing. And by that I mean, they’re doing a LOT more nothing than even they think they are. Their little “protest” is completely meaningless.

                Since they can be safely ignored, why aren’t you ignoring them?

                Unless their intent is to get trump elected, and for some- this is the case.

                Why do centrists pretend that those to their left are all the way to their right?

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                    Convenient that people to your left are trying to get trump elected simply by disagreeing with you.

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              Where do centrists keep getting this?

              People to your left are allowed to be dissatisfied even when you get everything you want.