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    8 months ago

    How do you enforce that? At best you have an inquiry that reports days/weeks/months later and the damage has been done and is considered old news. In any case, you’ll have the pollies inserting a grain of truth into their lies and rules lawyering the rest. It may harm truth-telling because a government/political party has a lot more means to shut down a conversation that an individual or even a community group.

    A better solution would be more transparent political finance reporting laws, but even that is likely to be a temporary measure. Political parties will always find the loopholes. To misquote Keating, never get between a politician and a bag of money. It’s still worth pursuing.

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        8 months ago

        Political parties will wear a $10k fine. A good lie is worth millions to them especially if they win govt.

        Political speech is way too nuanced to be restricted by legislation of this kind. Was The Voice proposal racist? It depends. Yes says no. No says yes. Both sides can be right and wrong. Is TUSotH one page or eighteen? Were we voting on just the Voice or Voice, Truth, and Treaty? Depending on who/where you ask you’ll get different answers. There are very few absolute right and absolute wrongs in politics. Even the ‘fact checkers’ got it wrong on occasion during the campaign. The referendum would be an even bigger shitshow, with finger pointing and accusations flying, if political speech was deemed wrong and penalised.

        I live in a country where similar laws already exist and the govt uses it to shut down speech it finds (rightly or wrongly) objectionable. It often does this by finding a minutia of perceived incorrectness and forcing the publishers to retract and apologise under the penalty of fines and publishing bans. It’s chilling.

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          8 months ago

          Multiple if those things you listed have clear factual answers, and to say otherwise is an easy demonstrable lie.

          Statement was one page, anyone can read it. The 26 pages was relevant documents, such as meeting minuets released with an FOI, which again anyone could read.

          It was clearly a vote on voice, the referendum question made it clear.

          If you can claim what you want, and as it seems people are going to believe you, how absurd is this going to get before we have to do something? We going to see attempted removal of politicians without reason? We going to see claims of rigged elections?

          Truth is important. Lots of things are political grey area, but if we let demonstrable facts become questionable democracy will fail.