• land@lemmy.ml
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    Israel aimed to spark a regional conflict to avoid facing genocide allegations. However, Iran didn’t buy into their PR tactics.

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      that’s is basically Israel strategy. Don’t know on what ground you’re getting downvoted.

      Israel wants to involve the US into the conflict, to create the perceptive diversion when it moves into Rafah and continue towards their goals. However, Iran took the necessary steps, e.g. informing the US in advance their course of actions, so that the US won’t be forced into the conflict.

      That’s basically what happened. The US keep themselves out, Iran gets to retaliate while keeping a distance from the US, and Israel will be on their own should it moves forward to Rafah.

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        Exactly. I’m waiting for the ICJ ruling that will hold Israel and its allies accountable for genocide. Israel was never about Jews. It’s funny Jews standing for Palestine get called antisemitic pathetic!

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      What group currently calling Jihad against Israel has not openly recieved funding from the Iranian state, going back to 1992?

      The answer is none. Every group calling for Jihad and Jewish genocide in the region has received monetary support from Iran.

      Why is that?

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        Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages? And because Israel is an Apartheid state whose raison d’etre is ethnic cleansing?

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          So Iran can fund jihad against Judaism itself, and it’s Israel’s fault?

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            Literally yes. The state of anti-Semitism in the middle east is a direct cause result of Israeli Apartheid.

            Edit.

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                Uh yes? Iran is oppressive as fuck, but yeah they’re not an Apartheid state, and hell even if they were. At least Iranian women get citizenship and the right to a fair-ish trial.

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                  Bro gtfo, kurds have suffered under Iranian regime for more than a century, israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close.

                  Yeah you get the fair trail as long as your aren’t kurd.

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                    israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close

                    Man we have a genocide going on in Gaza.

                    Admittedly I don’t know much about the state of Kurds in Iran, but again we have a literal genocide in Gaza. What little I have read doesn’t mention anything that intense in Iran.

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              You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

              That is ahistorical nonsense, and you know it.

              Do you wish to try again?

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                You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

                Not after the creation of Israel, after Zionists started trying to take Palestine in 1917.

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            Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.

            Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.

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              while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™.

              Man Israel has more than 5 million people under an occupation that denies them any and all human rights. They’re not a liberal democracy in any stretch of the word.

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                Israel is an authoritarian state, they throw people in jail for disagreeing with the government, or just being Palestinian / Muslim.

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              I don’t know if I fully buy that argument.

              If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.

              If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

              I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.

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                If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

                What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.

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                  If we pretend the “elected” government of Palestine is in significant than sure.

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                    Uh… Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.