I don’t get how libs can tolerate being taken for granted like this. They’re not being mature or practical - they’re accepting mistreatment by an establishment sworn to serve them.

Trump and his supporters aren’t better, but at least he’s telling them what they want to hear. He at least made sure to get checks out to people and had his signature stamped on them.

I dunno, at least there’s a strategy there. And Biden has had four fucking years and he’s done nothing to get people motivated to vote or even register to vote. Not even going into his participation in genocide, it’s just a lack of strategy to the point of self-sabotage.

And the entire Democratic party is complicit in all of it. It’s like they want to lose, because all I’m hearing are about how bad trump is/was. And it’s like, I was fucking there. And after three years, all they can offer is to give him a verbal reprimand and coverage on every major news network, speech, and social media posting.

It’s just mind-blowing to think of the wasted time and energy on the part of the US political system.

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    I dunno, at least there’s a strategy there. And Biden has had four fucking years and he’s done nothing to get people motivated to vote or even register to vote. Not even going into his participation in genocide, it’s just a lack of strategy to the point of self-sabotage.

    This is the basic gripe of Democrats the country over. The Democratic party absolutely sucks at between-election messaging. All of the great messaging campaigns that kept them relevant and positively viewed were all basically reactions to Republican fucks up. I mean, the House Freedom Caucus is actively trying to hand Democrats some good PR with their bullshit budget requests. Senate Republicans know it can come back to screw those up for reelection, too.

    And what are the Democrats doing? Nothing? Releasing websites about abortion rights or some shit? Idk. The Democratic is really bad at the communications part of politics.

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      This is the basic gripe of Democrats the country over. The Democratic party absolutely sucks at between-election messaging.

      I thought the problem was their between-election inability to actually do anything.

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        Whenever any political commentator opines about the DNC’s problem being poor messaging I just immediately tune out. This is what comms and marketing people push to encourage democrats to dump even more money into advertising and PR. The problem is not insufficient PR lmao, it’s the rot, corruption and evil anti-worker policies of the party in governance that are the problem

        I thought we were supposed to be communists here. Are we really repeating DNC narratives about the problem being insufficient money into consultants? This is MSNBC quality political commentary

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        Depending on the level of government we’re talking about, that’s true or they do a lot and just never talk about it like idiots.

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          Not a single American politician is doing anything good. Everything is getting worse and they’re all bourgeois monsters top to bottom, both parties. Even “the squad” types are passing bills to fund Israel’s genocide and warmongering

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            Even “the squad” types are passing bills to fund Israel’s genocide and warmongering

            Prove it. I’m curious as to where you’ve come to believe The Squad is funding Israel’s genocide and warmongering. As far as I’m aware, that is not true. So, I’m really looking forward to be disabused of my rosy view of them.

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                The issue is the Squad funding Israel’s genocide and warmongering. We can take up the issue of Bolivia some other time if you’re still around.

                The press release condemns Hamas for the October 7th attack. That’s reasonable to most except those that sanction political violence as if it ever works the way we think it does. I mean, Hamas killed 1200 Israelis on that day, believing political violence was justified…and look at Gaza now…but I digress…

                This press release says

                “It’s welcome news that Representatives Ocasio-Cortez, Pocan, and McCollum, along with dozens of their House colleagues, are urging the Biden Administration to establish an immediate bilateral ceasefire in Israel-Palestine and asking for greater humanitarian access in all parts of Gaza,” said Hassan El-Tayyab, legislative director for Middle East policy at FCNL.

                That’s definitely not active support of Israeli genocide or warmongering.

                Moreover, Biden is having to bypass Congress altogether to get Israel aid. That takes any culpability away from the Squad imho since they clearly oppose giving more money to Israel.

                So, again, the issue is the Squad funding Israel’s genocide and warmongering. Do you have any other evidence that they’re doing that?

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                  those that sanction political violence as if it ever works the way we think it does

                  Except for every successful revolution. The October Revolution, Chinese Revolution, Cuban Revolutuon, Vietnam as examples.

                  The press release condemns Hamas for the October 7th attack. That’s reasonable

                  That’s not reasonable to us here because we’re communists. Condemning Hamas is wrong. I’m not suprised the Squad has taken that position because they’re a bunch of libs

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                    That’s not reasonable to us here because we’re communists. Condemning Hamas is wrong. I’m not suprised the Squad has taken that position because they’re a bunch of libs

                    …this is definitely off the topic originally discussed, I’m curious:

                    It’s not enough for you that they actively oppose Israeli genocide; rather, they have to also support Hamas in their struggle against Israel?

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                  The press release condemns Hamas for the October 7th attack. That’s reasonable to most except those that sanction political violence as if it ever works the way we think it does.

                  What options did they have other than armed resistance, they already tried peaceful protest and got their kneecaps obliterated by snipers

                  I mean, Hamas killed 1200 Israelis on that day, believing political violence was justified…and look at Gaza now…but I digress…

                  The IOF killed most of those people on Oct 7 but don’t let the facts get in the way of propaganda blaming the victims

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                    Oof. Almost got baited there. Touché.

                    I think it’s clear that the Squad isn’t funding Israel’s genocide and warmongering and staunchly stands opposed to it.

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                  Hamas killed 1200 Israelis on that day

                  You are using Palestine’s resistance of occupation and ethnic cleansing to justify their occupation and ethnic cleansing.

                  Nothing Hamas or anyone does can change the fact that they are justified in resisting Israel’s occupation and ethnic cleansing.

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                    Y’all keep jumping down my throat for something I never said. Similarly, y’all hate on The Squad for a position they don’t hold either.

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                  I mean, Hamas killed 1200 Israelis on that day, believing political violence was justified…and look at Gaza now…but I digress…

                  Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”

                  An air force colonel said that Israeli airstrikes may have intentionally killed Israeli captives rather than let them be taken to Gaza. Speaking in Hebrew about the airstrikes, Colonel Nof Erez told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that 7 October “was a mass Hannibal.”

                  Ynet (Israeli government affiliated): Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)

                  Regardless, let’s look at the nonviolent approach. Have you heard of the Great Match of Return? Palestinians would be condemned to a slow death if they did not resist. Take your liberal condemnation of violence and shove it.

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                  That’s reasonable to most except those that sanction political violence as if it ever works the way we think it does.

                  Look, I hate the American Revolutionary War as much as the next guy, but I don’t think this is an accurate characterization

                  Oh, sorry, you were probably thinking of something more like the Haitian Revolution. I wonder what the differences is thonk us-foreign-policy

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                  Biden doesn’t have to bypass Congress to get Israel aid. Who would vote against it? The evangelical cultists of the republican party would do anything to bring about their apocalyptic vision of the second coming and no democrat would vote against it. They’re bypassing congress so they don’t have to inform the world what they’re sending to arm the genocide machine.

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                    They’re bypassing congress so they don’t have to inform the world what they’re sending to arm the genocide machine.

                    Biden’s bypassing Congress was reported by national media outlets. If what you say is true, then it was probably the most ineffective way to do anything inconspicuous .

                    There’s probably another explanation that you’re dismissing out of hand

                    Biden doesn’t have to bypass Congress to get Israel aid. Who would vote against it?

                    I bet there are people that would vote against it and that’s why Biden bypassed Congress. Until that legislation comes up though, we’re kinda at an impasse empirically.

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                  Hamas killed 1200 Israelis on that day, believing political violence was justified…and look at Gaza now…but I digress…

                  Damn, sucks that they couldn’t get around to shooting you too! Maybe next time

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                    Hey hey! Someone with evidence!

                    The Grayzone seems suspect as hell, but some of the links to which it leads are high quality.

                    I think this is worth considering in the future…thanks.

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          And the national level Democrats failing to pass things during the years they have total control while doing things like liberalism makes it harder to trust the local ones.

          Like most of the Dems running in my state with the party backing are all getting money from the realtors’ association and the power company…

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        People hear this and balk because they picture the “leadership” of the party that requires popular support to maintain office, but what’s really meant is the massive funding base/NGO apparatus/professional politickers ie lanyard-dicks that all get more money and more support when the GOP is in office acting like lunatics. The consultant class gets a new boat every time Trump says something racist in office. Remember that law office that ate up all of Stacy Abrams cash meant to fIgHt FoR vOtInG rIgHtS?

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          100-com the only thing the Biden admin/dems did about Roe being overturned was fundraise. Its a business. Its the most important election ever, because they want it hyped for the billions it brings in. None of them care