• RNAi [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Let me tell you how free college educated “progressive” libs (who own capital) are reacting to this news:

    Lib: - Well it’s not that bad cuz they won’t be charged much anyways

    Me: They are a very small minority, the cost of teaching them it’s the same. It should remain free for all, no exceptions.

    Lib: Well but I can’t go to their countries and study for free, it should be reciprocous

    Me: Who cares? It’s the same charging them than not, and they are opening the door to charge money to all of us

    Lib: Well I would have been able to pay some amount. Plus we used to voluntary pay some small money for student lab material, but then it was outlawed and so the students labs pipettes fell in disrepair.

    Me: regardless of amount the university should have payed it

    Lib: Well but foreigners who come study here, their taxes don’t cover their education.

    Me: I already told you teaching such small number costs the same as not teaching them. Plus you are opening the door to everyone getting charged. If we’d had to pay the price of a degree in (for example) Colombia, we both won’t be laureates.

    Lib: Well we could have payed something, plus my college partners spent a lot in booze and parties. Plus there’s no money so anything would help and it should be reciprocous at least.

    Repeat the loop, again and again.

      • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        How do we shake out these individualist brainworms? I see variations of this argument ALL the time: “A few people in group X are bad/irresponsible/not-like-me so no one can have the nice thing”

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          I don’t think it is possible most of the time, they’re a lost cause. Individualism in the west is not just a personality trait but extremely tied to cultural behaviour and identity, rejecting individualism is often seen as attacking western/American values of freedom and autonomy.

          Maybe it is possible in the rare cases this person happens to be a hypocrite and they happen to have benefitted from some form of government program or maybe they have some personal aspiration that could be fulfilled through some government plan but they don’t realize it due to misinformation.

          I think a simple example was the Bernie campaign for healthcare and meeting people that still believed their insurance costs would be higher or their service quality would be worst somehow. At the very least you have to make sure they don’t have these false beliefs as part of the foundation.

          But as I said imo American individualism is so tied to culture that nothing short of massive government re-education through a revolution would change anything. It is a lost cause really. The most you can hope for is these people are not the majority because eventualy they’ll become hypocrites themselves, material conditions etc eventually everyone will desire something and if that can be provided by society then it can be the start.

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            I often tell people the protestant mindset of the American population will never be killed. Work will always make the “man” and if a “man” does not work “he” does not eat is a fundamental part of that.

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      wall-talk

      It’s pointless to have a discussion with someone who has no stake in the outcome.

      This guy did. But random American assholes do not.

      I’ve found it’s easier to just deride the idea generally. “Milei deporting all his biggest supporters. No wonder libertarianism doesn’t work.”

      And leave it at that.

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      And the escuse they used over in the states against free education - but you’d be subsidizing the rich!

      My brother, the rich don’t send their kids to public college because they want the luxury of having a prestigious private “I’m rich, bitch” title for their nepo baby. It won’t be a problem.

      maybe-later-honey Well how do you know!

      Have you seen your idol pete? Have you looked at the executive and political class all from Harvard and Yale? They aren’t going to give a fuck about a public university degree.

      maybe-later-kiddo Says you! You don’t care for the poor!

      wall-talk

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        They do be using it here too “those rich brats living in apartments paid by their parents could easily pay for their free college” [the ones who don’t go to the Catholic Universities (aka the only prestige private universities outside of Buenos Aires City) cuz they petty burshwá not rich ]

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    There should be up updated Gadsten style libertarian flag that’s a leopard lunging at the person looking at the flag like its going to eat their face.

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    This reminds of a talk by the old US Trot ISO party. It was during the Libya crisis, a Libyan American college student was giving the talk, they were pro Western backed Rebels and getting rid of Gaddafi. During the talk she mentions that her parents were able to study in the USA because of Libyan social programs under Gadaffi. Is Libya a functioning state anymore? Last big news story from Libya was the disastrous flood that killed at least 11,300 people.

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        I mean, he did get exactly what he asked for then acted all shocked and regretful, but that’s still a human being that has been denied access to higher education. This might actually be life ruining for them

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          I agree with you, he may have helped encourage Milei’s election but many people have ridiculous views especially at that age, we’re all being scammed by people like Milei everyday. At least he is young enough that he still has time to continue education maybe in a different country or if Argentina reverses these policies.

          If Milei himself or other people closer to the origin of these bullshit views suffered some consequences I’d be more inclined to laugh but I don’t feel much joy when young people get things fucked for them, even if they are idiots, I know when I was 20 there were beliefs I had that I now see are obviously false.

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          that’s still a human being that has been denied access to higher education

          I mean, what kind of education was he even receiving, of he thought Milei was going to benefit him?

          Unfortunate to see all these kids get rug-pulled. But these institutions are producing the agents of their own demise. This guy is probably better of getting proletariatanized than finishing out a degree in PMC U.

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    it’s pretty nuts that he’s not even grandfathered in, usually that’s what they do with this kind of law