Up until you want to do anything Apple doesn’t approve of. Like, say, sideload apps that aren’t in the app store. Or install an alternate OS. Or get root access to your own damn device. Or swap out parts yourself. Or anything beyond being a boring-ass social media consumer.
or keep using your device after you dropped it. or keep using the same device long enough for the battery to wear out. or use the same charger on your phone as you would use on any other device.
it’s frickin ludicrous how apple users whose devices break prematurely just go and buy another device from apple, as opposed to doing the sane thing and buying from a different company. like after my lenovo laptop wiped its own bios on a forced “upgrade” i’m sure as fuck not buying lenovo, but if an apple device encountered the same error 9 out of 10 users would just go and wire daddy tim apple another $1500 for a replacement. like wtf, why would they not enforce failures if that’s how their users behave
that is entirely because android phone manufacturers are copying apple and doing it even worse, not because apple is somehow good. the fairphone has seven hears of support, and before the smartphone era, you had no issues keeping a phone for a similarly long time.
apple made this model of limited software support, and they do their damn best to enforce it, by revoking the new ios from their devices five years after release on average, and actively pushing developers to only support the latest ios. yes, it’s better than most android manufacturers ensuring your phone gets slow about twice as fast but it’s still anti-consumer.
and again, when my last xiaomi phone did that to me, i bought a fairphone, not another xiaomi. buying again from the same company that screwed you over is lunacy.
Most iPhones only last 5 years from release to when they lose the latest iOS. Currently the record holder is the 6S with its 83 months, which is almost on par with the Fairphone, but it’s important to note that on iPhone if you don’t have the latest iOS you’ll slowly but surely lose apps, while on Android you can be 4-5 versions behind and still be just fine because that’s the development target. And yes, you can use an iPhone that’s no longer compatible with a bunch of apps, but at that point what’s the difference between that and using an old Android phone?
Also, sure, most Android phones indeed do worse than iOS, but that was never my point. My point is that this is a problem Apple manufactured out of thin air when they created the modern smartphone paradigm with the iPhone, and then Android manufacturers copied them and made it even worse. But that doesn’t make the iPhone’s planned obsolescence problem any less anti-consumer, it just means there’s even worse stuff on the market.
If you stop thinking about it as an us vs them between Apple and non-Apple, and start thinking about it as “are those corpos ripping us off” it’s a lot easier to wrap your head around this. Yes, I know the Apple mindset is about supporting the scrappy little underdog that’s fighting the evil Gates, but they’re no longer the scrappy little underdog, they’re literally the largest corporation on the planet. They became the very thing they swore to destroy.
Sure, in prison too everything just works, plus you have 3 meals a day and a lot of spare time. You just get fucked by some stronger dude any time he wants.
And that’s exactly Apple: it fucks you any time he wants.
Want the new OS on your totally capable 2017 pc? Fuck you
Want to use your warranty but you used an off brand charger onca at your friend’s house? Fuck you
That would be 2000$
fuckin a how god damn stupid are you? this “green bubble” shit is hilarious, you want to suck Tim Cooks cock so fucking bad you are making up pejoratives for people not using an iPhone, how much of a fucking cuck do you have to be?
oh I KNOW you are a massive fucking cuck no question about that one, you have your head so far up your ass you think this makes you cool, when it just makes you a fucking dweeb.
…green bubbles are because apple doesn’t want to move forward with everyone else, they want to have their own walled garden so that people like you say exactly what you just said. their lightning connector is quite literally an outgrowth of usb-c before usb-c was even done, as far as that issue goes its apple trying to go backwards not the rest of the industry. the rest of the industry moved past proprietary charging connectors almost 15 years ago.
Like i dont care if you use an iphone it’s like complaining that you use chrome instead of firefox, its just stupid. So why do you apple people care that I use a samsung?
Ok? It looks pretty cool. I’m really not anti apple like you think I am lol. I’d be more concerned about preordering in general than it being apple but I’m not going to berate you for it or anything.
I mean I probably won’t since it’s like $3500 but like, ok? You act like I’m telling you not to buy it. I have a quest 2 and had a rift in 2016, I am already on board with vr/ar, you don’t need to convince me. If I had the money I’d have had a hololens in like 2016.
I honestly won the last 2 job selections because I was “the linux guy”: my emplyers understood that I can operate a pc better that the average mac or windows user and chose me over other people for that reason.
So what your saying it doesn’t apply to all use cases
Honestly it might not be the best idea to let employers know you’re willing to put in extra hours and hours of work just to get something trivial like audio working because that makes you look like an exploitable mark
Being a linux user doesn’t mean I’ll put in more hours at work, it just means that in the same amount of time I’ll have more stuff done, or that it takes less time to learn new stuff because I already know how some things work.
But hold fast to those values and ride them into the ground because of a decision you made 15 years ago and because you think Steve Jobs was gay
I don’t have any particular idea (good or bad) about the character of SJ, except for the fact that I think he was an excellent salesman. And the characteristic of an excellent salesman is to lure you into a bad deal by convincing you that you’ll end up on the upper side.
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We found the Stockholm Syndrome guy
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Up until you want to do anything Apple doesn’t approve of. Like, say, sideload apps that aren’t in the app store. Or install an alternate OS. Or get root access to your own damn device. Or swap out parts yourself. Or anything beyond being a boring-ass social media consumer.
or keep using your device after you dropped it. or keep using the same device long enough for the battery to wear out. or use the same charger on your phone as you would use on any other device.
it’s frickin ludicrous how apple users whose devices break prematurely just go and buy another device from apple, as opposed to doing the sane thing and buying from a different company. like after my lenovo laptop wiped its own bios on a forced “upgrade” i’m sure as fuck not buying lenovo, but if an apple device encountered the same error 9 out of 10 users would just go and wire daddy tim apple another $1500 for a replacement. like wtf, why would they not enforce failures if that’s how their users behave
iPhones win the longevity wars and have far better software support for older devices.
that is entirely because android phone manufacturers are copying apple and doing it even worse, not because apple is somehow good. the fairphone has seven hears of support, and before the smartphone era, you had no issues keeping a phone for a similarly long time.
apple made this model of limited software support, and they do their damn best to enforce it, by revoking the new ios from their devices five years after release on average, and actively pushing developers to only support the latest ios. yes, it’s better than most android manufacturers ensuring your phone gets slow about twice as fast but it’s still anti-consumer.
and again, when my last xiaomi phone did that to me, i bought a fairphone, not another xiaomi. buying again from the same company that screwed you over is lunacy.
I checked Wikipedia. iPhone is still supported and that is 6 years old.
If android manufacturers did actually copy Apple and provided 6+ years of support, we’d be a lot better off.
You can’t win the Apple is bad with software support argument, because it is where Apple is strongest.
Most iPhones only last 5 years from release to when they lose the latest iOS. Currently the record holder is the 6S with its 83 months, which is almost on par with the Fairphone, but it’s important to note that on iPhone if you don’t have the latest iOS you’ll slowly but surely lose apps, while on Android you can be 4-5 versions behind and still be just fine because that’s the development target. And yes, you can use an iPhone that’s no longer compatible with a bunch of apps, but at that point what’s the difference between that and using an old Android phone?
Also, sure, most Android phones indeed do worse than iOS, but that was never my point. My point is that this is a problem Apple manufactured out of thin air when they created the modern smartphone paradigm with the iPhone, and then Android manufacturers copied them and made it even worse. But that doesn’t make the iPhone’s planned obsolescence problem any less anti-consumer, it just means there’s even worse stuff on the market.
If you stop thinking about it as an us vs them between Apple and non-Apple, and start thinking about it as “are those corpos ripping us off” it’s a lot easier to wrap your head around this. Yes, I know the Apple mindset is about supporting the scrappy little underdog that’s fighting the evil Gates, but they’re no longer the scrappy little underdog, they’re literally the largest corporation on the planet. They became the very thing they swore to destroy.
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It’s not “no cost to me” if you paid for apple care
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We are all laughing at you, not angry at you.
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Aren’t you the one with green bubbles? I can set them to whatever color I want.
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Forcing you to “jailbreak” your own device is insulting. Why the hell are you not insulted by that?
Sure, in prison too everything just works, plus you have 3 meals a day and a lot of spare time. You just get fucked by some stronger dude any time he wants.
And that’s exactly Apple: it fucks you any time he wants.
Want the new OS on your totally capable 2017 pc? Fuck you
Want to use your warranty but you used an off brand charger onca at your friend’s house? Fuck you
That would be 2000$
Testimony: I use a 2015 iGPU rig with an i5 6500 and 16gb ddr4.
Runs well, I can do all sorts of things on it.
If some game doesn’t run well and I got cash, I’m taking a bus to SP road and buying a good used GPU.
Cheap, reliable, serviceable. Only 1 of which apple’s products are.
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Apple hardware is rather shoddy, so yeah, an extended warranty probably is warranted.
Or, y’know, buying something that’s not shoddy.
Haha true
However, I’ve had this “apple experience” with xiaomi too
I just unlocked the bootloader and side loaded another OS after a year of no regular nor security updates
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fuckin a how god damn stupid are you? this “green bubble” shit is hilarious, you want to suck Tim Cooks cock so fucking bad you are making up pejoratives for people not using an iPhone, how much of a fucking cuck do you have to be?
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oh I KNOW you are a massive fucking cuck no question about that one, you have your head so far up your ass you think this makes you cool, when it just makes you a fucking dweeb.
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…green bubbles are because apple doesn’t want to move forward with everyone else, they want to have their own walled garden so that people like you say exactly what you just said. their lightning connector is quite literally an outgrowth of usb-c before usb-c was even done, as far as that issue goes its apple trying to go backwards not the rest of the industry. the rest of the industry moved past proprietary charging connectors almost 15 years ago.
Like i dont care if you use an iphone it’s like complaining that you use chrome instead of firefox, its just stupid. So why do you apple people care that I use a samsung?
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whatever you say dude, I’m glad you like your iphone.
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Ok? It looks pretty cool. I’m really not anti apple like you think I am lol. I’d be more concerned about preordering in general than it being apple but I’m not going to berate you for it or anything.
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I mean I probably won’t since it’s like $3500 but like, ok? You act like I’m telling you not to buy it. I have a quest 2 and had a rift in 2016, I am already on board with vr/ar, you don’t need to convince me. If I had the money I’d have had a hololens in like 2016.
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Apple not being anti-consumer is the weirdest opinion I read on lemmy…for now…
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I think apple is more subtle and long term about it. Microsoft just straight up slams it in your face.
The world doesn’t revolve around Apple and its NPCs like you.
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I honestly won the last 2 job selections because I was “the linux guy”: my emplyers understood that I can operate a pc better that the average mac or windows user and chose me over other people for that reason.
So what your saying it doesn’t apply to all use cases
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Being a linux user doesn’t mean I’ll put in more hours at work, it just means that in the same amount of time I’ll have more stuff done, or that it takes less time to learn new stuff because I already know how some things work.
I don’t have any particular idea (good or bad) about the character of SJ, except for the fact that I think he was an excellent salesman. And the characteristic of an excellent salesman is to lure you into a bad deal by convincing you that you’ll end up on the upper side.
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Audio on Linux has worked out of the box for over a decade.