Up until you want to do anything Apple doesn’t approve of. Like, say, sideload apps that aren’t in the app store. Or install an alternate OS. Or get root access to your own damn device. Or swap out parts yourself. Or anything beyond being a boring-ass social media consumer.
or keep using your device after you dropped it. or keep using the same device long enough for the battery to wear out. or use the same charger on your phone as you would use on any other device.
it’s frickin ludicrous how apple users whose devices break prematurely just go and buy another device from apple, as opposed to doing the sane thing and buying from a different company. like after my lenovo laptop wiped its own bios on a forced “upgrade” i’m sure as fuck not buying lenovo, but if an apple device encountered the same error 9 out of 10 users would just go and wire daddy tim apple another $1500 for a replacement. like wtf, why would they not enforce failures if that’s how their users behave
that is entirely because android phone manufacturers are copying apple and doing it even worse, not because apple is somehow good. the fairphone has seven hears of support, and before the smartphone era, you had no issues keeping a phone for a similarly long time.
apple made this model of limited software support, and they do their damn best to enforce it, by revoking the new ios from their devices five years after release on average, and actively pushing developers to only support the latest ios. yes, it’s better than most android manufacturers ensuring your phone gets slow about twice as fast but it’s still anti-consumer.
and again, when my last xiaomi phone did that to me, i bought a fairphone, not another xiaomi. buying again from the same company that screwed you over is lunacy.
Most iPhones only last 5 years from release to when they lose the latest iOS. Currently the record holder is the 6S with its 83 months, which is almost on par with the Fairphone, but it’s important to note that on iPhone if you don’t have the latest iOS you’ll slowly but surely lose apps, while on Android you can be 4-5 versions behind and still be just fine because that’s the development target. And yes, you can use an iPhone that’s no longer compatible with a bunch of apps, but at that point what’s the difference between that and using an old Android phone?
Also, sure, most Android phones indeed do worse than iOS, but that was never my point. My point is that this is a problem Apple manufactured out of thin air when they created the modern smartphone paradigm with the iPhone, and then Android manufacturers copied them and made it even worse. But that doesn’t make the iPhone’s planned obsolescence problem any less anti-consumer, it just means there’s even worse stuff on the market.
If you stop thinking about it as an us vs them between Apple and non-Apple, and start thinking about it as “are those corpos ripping us off” it’s a lot easier to wrap your head around this. Yes, I know the Apple mindset is about supporting the scrappy little underdog that’s fighting the evil Gates, but they’re no longer the scrappy little underdog, they’re literally the largest corporation on the planet. They became the very thing they swore to destroy.
iPhone 8 is 6 years old and still runs the latest iOS version. Apple may have made the smartphone popular and mainstream, they didn’t do what android developers do which is leave modern handsets in the cold.
If we look at the question of is a phone usable like the old days you keep referring to, they work fine for phone calls and sms. If you want to run the latest apps with the latest iOS version 6 years or a bit more seems to be the limit. Which is reasonable.
If we look at security releases Apple is still updating iOS 15 which supports the iPhone 6s released back in 2015.
Many arguments can be made against the Apple approach to software and their walled garden.
I’m saying you can’t make those same complaints against ongoing software support as they are leaders in that.
If you stop thinking about it as an us vs them between Apple and non-Apple, and start thinking about it as “are those corpos ripping us off” it’s a lot easier to wrap your head around this.
Your entire point is that Apple is not bad because the general state of Android is worse. I’m calling both bad. And I’m blaming Apple for leading that trend – which also doesn’t absolve most Android manufacturers from following that trend, but Apple still made it.
Also, this whole debate is in the context of a bill that mandates that phone manufacturers make batteries replaceable. The Android side of things actually had that for a long time, while Apple has been doing unibody phones from the beginning and hammered that idea into the whole industry through years of insistence. That’s why I put so much of the blame on them.
You brought up the software support issue and I corrected you as you are wrong. Apple didn’t start anything and lead the industry in ongoing software support.
In my opinion legislating replaceable batteries is anti-consumer as they will be forced into wider devices that aren’t waterproof. I would prefer that they legislated that battery replacement guides be made available by the manufacturer with genuine parts made available at a low profit margin to enable user replacement with the correct tools.
I’m not ignoring anything, I am trying to be factual and provide accurate information about software support periods.
If I’m being idealistic, I’d prefer that all devices support foss and that vendor blobs aren’t required, that is more important than bringing back carrying a spare battery in your bag. Until then we have patchy android software support and Apple’s closed ecosystem as the only major players.
Up until you want to do anything Apple doesn’t approve of. Like, say, sideload apps that aren’t in the app store. Or install an alternate OS. Or get root access to your own damn device. Or swap out parts yourself. Or anything beyond being a boring-ass social media consumer.
or keep using your device after you dropped it. or keep using the same device long enough for the battery to wear out. or use the same charger on your phone as you would use on any other device.
it’s frickin ludicrous how apple users whose devices break prematurely just go and buy another device from apple, as opposed to doing the sane thing and buying from a different company. like after my lenovo laptop wiped its own bios on a forced “upgrade” i’m sure as fuck not buying lenovo, but if an apple device encountered the same error 9 out of 10 users would just go and wire daddy tim apple another $1500 for a replacement. like wtf, why would they not enforce failures if that’s how their users behave
iPhones win the longevity wars and have far better software support for older devices.
that is entirely because android phone manufacturers are copying apple and doing it even worse, not because apple is somehow good. the fairphone has seven hears of support, and before the smartphone era, you had no issues keeping a phone for a similarly long time.
apple made this model of limited software support, and they do their damn best to enforce it, by revoking the new ios from their devices five years after release on average, and actively pushing developers to only support the latest ios. yes, it’s better than most android manufacturers ensuring your phone gets slow about twice as fast but it’s still anti-consumer.
and again, when my last xiaomi phone did that to me, i bought a fairphone, not another xiaomi. buying again from the same company that screwed you over is lunacy.
I checked Wikipedia. iPhone is still supported and that is 6 years old.
If android manufacturers did actually copy Apple and provided 6+ years of support, we’d be a lot better off.
You can’t win the Apple is bad with software support argument, because it is where Apple is strongest.
Most iPhones only last 5 years from release to when they lose the latest iOS. Currently the record holder is the 6S with its 83 months, which is almost on par with the Fairphone, but it’s important to note that on iPhone if you don’t have the latest iOS you’ll slowly but surely lose apps, while on Android you can be 4-5 versions behind and still be just fine because that’s the development target. And yes, you can use an iPhone that’s no longer compatible with a bunch of apps, but at that point what’s the difference between that and using an old Android phone?
Also, sure, most Android phones indeed do worse than iOS, but that was never my point. My point is that this is a problem Apple manufactured out of thin air when they created the modern smartphone paradigm with the iPhone, and then Android manufacturers copied them and made it even worse. But that doesn’t make the iPhone’s planned obsolescence problem any less anti-consumer, it just means there’s even worse stuff on the market.
If you stop thinking about it as an us vs them between Apple and non-Apple, and start thinking about it as “are those corpos ripping us off” it’s a lot easier to wrap your head around this. Yes, I know the Apple mindset is about supporting the scrappy little underdog that’s fighting the evil Gates, but they’re no longer the scrappy little underdog, they’re literally the largest corporation on the planet. They became the very thing they swore to destroy.
iPhone 8 is 6 years old and still runs the latest iOS version. Apple may have made the smartphone popular and mainstream, they didn’t do what android developers do which is leave modern handsets in the cold.
If we look at the question of is a phone usable like the old days you keep referring to, they work fine for phone calls and sms. If you want to run the latest apps with the latest iOS version 6 years or a bit more seems to be the limit. Which is reasonable.
If we look at security releases Apple is still updating iOS 15 which supports the iPhone 6s released back in 2015.
Many arguments can be made against the Apple approach to software and their walled garden.
I’m saying you can’t make those same complaints against ongoing software support as they are leaders in that.
You’re still ignoring the last part I said:
Your entire point is that Apple is not bad because the general state of Android is worse. I’m calling both bad. And I’m blaming Apple for leading that trend – which also doesn’t absolve most Android manufacturers from following that trend, but Apple still made it.
Also, this whole debate is in the context of a bill that mandates that phone manufacturers make batteries replaceable. The Android side of things actually had that for a long time, while Apple has been doing unibody phones from the beginning and hammered that idea into the whole industry through years of insistence. That’s why I put so much of the blame on them.
You brought up the software support issue and I corrected you as you are wrong. Apple didn’t start anything and lead the industry in ongoing software support.
In my opinion legislating replaceable batteries is anti-consumer as they will be forced into wider devices that aren’t waterproof. I would prefer that they legislated that battery replacement guides be made available by the manufacturer with genuine parts made available at a low profit margin to enable user replacement with the correct tools.
I’m not ignoring anything, I am trying to be factual and provide accurate information about software support periods.
If I’m being idealistic, I’d prefer that all devices support foss and that vendor blobs aren’t required, that is more important than bringing back carrying a spare battery in your bag. Until then we have patchy android software support and Apple’s closed ecosystem as the only major players.
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It’s not “no cost to me” if you paid for apple care
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We are all laughing at you, not angry at you.
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Aren’t you the one with green bubbles? I can set them to whatever color I want.
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Forcing you to “jailbreak” your own device is insulting. Why the hell are you not insulted by that?