Me the ultimate leftist going down on my sister just as Marx intended
The “oral with your sister” / “anal with your father” schism is tearing leftism apart.
That’s right, I’m a Marxist-Mullenist, being gay with your dad is a prelude to the revolution
Wait we were supposed to choose?
There’s definitely something “tearing” there but not sure if its just leftism
Everything indigenous groups have ever done is good, actually. I am very smart.
Ritual human sacrifice to appease the gods? Not actually that bad! Kill the krakkka inside your head.
I mean, it wasn’t that bad compared to the scale of human sacrifice in Europe at the time, yes I am including executions in this metric
.Europeans are also indigenous to Europe.
I thought Yakub created them in a lab in Africa?
Actually the lab was in Crete so that’s still Europe
Damn, looks like I need to brush up on my Yakubian lore. Thanks comrade.
Wrong, they stole land from the Neanderthal.
Prion diseases eating good off this
As far as I can tell that’s just an increased risk of transmission, if the disease is already there in the eaten. It doesn’t create prion diseases out of nowhere. But it also seems pretty easy to avoid by just not eating the brain.
(Not that cannibalism is ok, ofc)
On top of everything else saying native Americans were cannibals is uniquely offensive.
The whole idea of wendigos is its what happens to you if you consume human flesh.
Entire villages committed mass suicide before winters if they didn’t have enough food so no one would have to resort to cannibalism.
There have been some indigenous cultures that genuinely practiced cannibalism such as the Wari’, but to imply it was commonplace is not only incorrect but also doing the work of (ironically cannibalistic) European colonizers.
thinking back to a shipwreck i read about where the survivors decided to take a longer route to safety bc they thought the closest inhabited island was filled with scary cannibals
you’ll never guess what happened next~
the whaleship essex
that’s the one! thanks for the name, i was drawing a serious blank
Papists do weekly ritual cannibalism according to their own doctrine
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cannibalism has factually been practiced by many groups, including some indigenous to the americas. limiting it to US-occupied peoples i can’t think of any examples, but that isn’t what the OP asserted.
The Aztecs practiced Cannibalism
they’re the most prominent example i was thinking of, but generally not included in what angloamericans call ‘native americans’ so i was tryin to be diplomatic with the terms
Do angloamericans only include people that used to live within the borders of the US and Canada or something?
Generally yes? Most of the native/indigenous people I know only organize around/within the community theyre in, let alone another country(s). Most of the indigenous peoples i know though are from really small tribes though so
Most anglos also dont even know what native tribes were once local in their area too
Isn’t cannibalism as a practice more a thing in Indonesia on the other side of the world? Like kuru is a thing and if you need a word for disease from eating people’s brains, then there’s probably a non-insignificant amount of eating people. Not like mayos don’t ever eat people though. Europeans would grind up mummies and drink a tincture of the dust as a miracle medicine, which is pretty weird and gross.
On top of everything else saying native Americans were cannibals is uniquely offensive.
Because all Native Americans are Algonquian?
Yup that’s exactly what I said thank you for highlighting that.
The whole idea of wendigos is its what happens to you if you consume human flesh.
I mostly thought they’re just Indigenous people talking about white people:
hairy
pale
smells like shit
insatiable greed
Are these people feds?
Because they’re overdoing it, the left cannot be character assassinated any further.
Regardless of whether or not these people are feds, I think this kind of shit is a reasonable argument for the need to have a centralized party or parties that have the power to censure or expell members.
. Not us this time!
I will not eat the people.
I will not fuck the sister.
What are you a lib
What if she’s stuck in a laundry machine or other home appliance?
Only if its the step sister comrade
Getting prion diseases to own the leftists.
seems like the thread is agreeing that eating people and fucking family members is indeed bad
Yeah I know, but that’s like concrete and other shielding materials containing the radioactive waste part of this thread that is going “um actually…”
ah, fair lol
i think cannibalism is a fine barometer of cultural relativism and lingering western chauvinism. to take the most charitable approach to op1, ‘ritual cannibalism to honor the dead’ is quite different from the consumption of enemies or strangers–for which our objection would be the violation of those non-consensual victims’ consent or rights. but the Fore community in which Kuru famously spread did not practice that, theirs was the consumption of family/community members after natural death. i can’t format an objection to that, besides the associated healthrisk—which modern medicine could probably prevent if applied to the problem. the Kuru outbreak actually killed that tradition so it’s kind of academic to debate, but i think it’s important examine knee-jerk demonization of foreign ritual on honest terms, and to apply a consistent standard to all sorts.
for a more practical question: should a religious practitioner be permitted to fast to death? a voluntary religiously-motivated suicide gets very different billing based on the context, and whether that’s justified should be examined. maybe one is permissive of a fasting death or a self-immolation, but not an allegedly voluntary sacrifice, or a jonestown? what are the limits to religious freedom and bodily autonomy, and are those informed by a christian socialization or a materialist basis?
endnote: no, lol to the incest. my actual stance on religion is full abolition before someone twists this into support for mostly dead religions, this is about racist and chauvinistic attitudes that socialists are not automatically immune from
the Kuru outbreak actually killed that tradition so it’s kind of academic to debate
Seems to me that this is the answer to the question in most cases. Historically, some cultures practiced cannibalism but most have stopped and I don’t know of any active movements to bring back that practice. There’s an ethnocentric tendency to think of mainstream culture as one which evolves over time but minority cultures are static traditionalist museum pieces. That couldn’t be further from the truth - minority cultures change in response to new conditions and information too.
I would go even so far as to argue that using indigenous cultures to try to justify cannibalism is engaging in the “noble savage” trope.
the Kuru affair happened in the 1950s-60s, not exactly the remote past. the problem is that “new conditions and information” in most cases consisted of christianizing, colonial influences. i don’t think we can chalk up the fact people getting colonized and missionary’d tend to abandon cannibalism as a natural development of culture
I would go even so far as to argue that using indigenous cultures to try to justify cannibalism is engaging in the “noble savage” trope.
just the opposite of anything i’ve asserted but ok
But like you said, the indigenous people who were afflicted by Kuru stopped because they got sick and medical evidence showed them cannibalism was why. Afaik there’s nothing christianizing or colonial about that info.
just the opposite of anything i’ve asserted but ok
Sorry I wasn’t accusing you of doing it, I was agreeing with you. My bad that it was unclear.
unfortunately Kuru being documented and researched is a result of the establishment of australian colonial authority over those people, and the subsequent promulgation of missions to them. so it’s hard to know to what extent which influence affected it most, or how the epidemic might have amplified the efforts of missionaries. surely there’s a lot at play and it could indicate a way a cannibalistic social structure could have selective pressures against it, but it’s not nearly as neat as i’d like to make firm judgements.
also to consider is the mutation in some of the people of the region to resist prion disease, which offers an alternate path out of a prion-disease problem, without behavioral-cultural modification. and identifying the cannibalism as the source of the problem is probably unintuitive enough that i’d consider it pretty unlikely for even an urban, literate, recordkeeping society to figure out. because most people that participated in the cannibalism didn’t get sick, and those who did would at different timescales. without our detailed knowledge of the biological processes, it’d be kind of insane to assert that two people that munched on a brain and died 20 years apart both died from the same cause.
Sorry I wasn’t accusing you of doing it, I was agreeing with you
oops my bad
Yeah, I don’t know enough about the historical or medical aspects of Kuru so I’m hesitant to speak like I know anything about it.
I suppose my main point is that there’s sometimes this unspoken assumption that the forces of “civilization” (i.e. colonialism) are the only factors keeping indigenous people from backsliding into “barbarism” (i.e. their traditions at the time of colonization, and as documented by the incredibly racist race science of that era). I detected an undercurrent of that in the original post that we’re all dunking on, and I thought that what you said about the tradition ending because of Kuru to be a really good example of how the unspoken colonial assumption is bullshit.
To me, the foremost struggles for indigenous peoples are sovereignty and development. I think that reviving medically sketchy traditions would be pretty low on the list of priorities of most indigenous peoples and 99% of the time when it’s brought up in an internet argument it’s in bad faith.
Kuru to be a really good example of how the unspoken colonial assumption is bullshit
i mean it absolutely is bullshit, specific circumstances are always just annoyingly complicated. developments under a colonial system are real, and though inseparable from those pressures, it doesn’t make the result ungenuine or something. i’ll decry the missionaries up and down all day, but they create earnest believers, a people won’t just jump back to the old ways after being coerced to abandon them.
the foremost struggles for indigenous peoples are sovereignty and development
100%, cannibalism discussion is just about overturning the excuses the europeans made for colonizing
people be eating their own amputated limbs every now an then. if mr beast starts paying people to do it and buying them prosthetics etc so he can sate his lust for human flesh we can revisit the issue. in a more equal society where such coercion wouldn’t be possible there’s only the food safety concerns.
no, lol to the incest
the problems with it are coercion/grooming and reproductive genetic risk. if you remove those somehow it’s still bad to normalize the practice because “we didn’t know we were related” almost never happens and actual violence happens consistently.
“we didn’t know we were related” almost never happens and actual violence happens consistently
exactly, there’s firm irreligious objections to incest with the thought-experiment defenses being so peculiar and rare they’re not worth treating with. if there ever were someone arrested for ‘we didn’t know!’ like sure, free them but the diagnostic there is a less awful justice system, not philosophical musing on a fetishized sex crime
to incest with the thought-experiment defenses being so peculiar and rare they’re not worth treating with.
“Accidental incest” happens more often than people think, particularly in smaller isolated counties. It’s something of a problem in Iceland for example.
so much so that they made a smartphone app for it
yeah it’s not something people would advertise about themselves. in that rare exception sure i’m not gonna go on the twitter dot com and cancel some random married couple that did not break up a long term relationship over it, but that’s usually not what the weirdos who argue for it are talking about.
i can’t format an objection to that, besides the associated healthrisk—which modern medicine could probably prevent if applied to the problem
I think you would come up against real problems there. bottom line eating someone just carries the risk of catching any infectious diseases they have
you could test for them i imagine? but like compare Mad Cow & other meat-eating risks 1st world resources are applied to that make consumption of animal products relatively safe
diseases often don’t cross species very well. Consumption of animals that aren’t genetically close to you is inherently safer than eating human
especially if they died by natural means as that normally means they were sick. A healthy killed animal is far safer to eat than a human that died of illness in many ways
diseases often don’t cross species very well
that’s a good observation, but this discussion is still kind of besides the point. yes, eating human meat is dangerous, but is it dangerous enough to forbid or merely to educate/mitigate risks?
I don’t live in a country where it is a traditional funeral rite so my opinion there doesn’t really matter
I definitely don’t want commodity production of human meat
testing for prions, especially for ones that you don’t know of yet (which can develop at any time in any person due to the nature of prions, but that’s very very rare) is extremely difficult, when mad cow disease is detected in a cattle herd you cull the herd, it isn’t worth it, the risk is far too high, and prions cannot be removed through anti-biotics or any kind of treatment, the only way to destroy them is denaturation through burning
prions are misshapen proteins that ‘spread’ in that when they touch the normally shaped proteins of the same kind they can cause them to become misshapen in the same way too, and being misshapen means this protein can’t do its job, and when it’s job is keeping your brain working or doing other important biological functions, you can see where issues arise
someone who was healthy at the end of their life may have prions in their body that were dormant and did not show symptoms, the longer you live the more likely you are to have proteins become misshapen, most are harmless and wouldn’t spread anyway, and most people die without developing anything to do with prions because of just how unlikely it is to happen
but in the rare chance someone’s body produces a misfolded protein that is both infectious and affects an important biological function then that extremely small chance would be buried in the ground or incinerated the majority of the time, but if more people practiced cannibalism then that protein would have a field day as it spread to the first person and then through blood contact spread to others, because a lot of prion disease is slow acting and/or has a very long incubation period (multiple years)
so not practicing cannibalism makes it a lot less likely for an untreatable deadly prion disease to materialize
so what i don’t understand is how prions can be resisted, and whether the epidemiology of a prion disease is about who ingests/receives an incorrectly folded protein, or about individuals with particularly… foldable? proteins getting a prion and developing an illness that others wouldn’t. i’m particularly confused because the immune system isn’t involved, is it?
so what i don’t understand is how prions can be resisted
basically all prion diseases that we know of are not curable and have a 100% fatality rate
and whether the epidemiology of a prion disease is about who ingests/receives an incorrectly folded protein
well, it can depend on some things, like for example if there was a difference in how well your body worked without that certain protein being functional compared to another person who is less resilient when this particular protein doesn’t work well, it’s kind of the reason why the incubation period varies so widely, the build up and conversion from good proteins to misfolded ones isn’t instant and takes time, so until that build up gets to a level where it causes symptoms we just don’t know that the person has anything wrong with them
or about individuals with particularly… foldable? proteins getting a prion and developing an illness that others wouldn’t.
there’s variation between people of course, but no if a prion is a certain protein and you expose it to proteins of the same kind it makes them misfold, maybe certain people have a different variation of that protein that does the same job but is structured a little differently so it’s not as susceptible or at all even, but that’s speculation on my part, I haven’t read deeply into this particular topic, generally speaking research into prion disease is still very inadequate, it’s very rare, and is always fatal, so it’s kind of hard to do research on
i’m particularly confused because the immune system isn’t involved, is it?
yeah the immune system can’t really fight it typically, because the protein matches the ones that the body uses, there isn’t much to tip it off since the immune system doesn’t look at protein folding, it looks at what proteins, sugars, and other molecules something has, in fact, the immune system can actually help the prion disease move into the body and reduce the incubation period as was seen in this study on rats, https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1006/clim.2000.4875
oh also, not every exposure would mean 100% getting infected, especially since the propagation of the misfolding isn’t instant and takes time, so if those proteins get disposed of and replaced before they can spread (as the body naturally does dismantle and rebuild lots of proteins) then you wouldn’t get infected
though keep in mind that these are rare diseases, that affect like 1-2 people per million worldwide every year, some of those cases are due to infection (acquired), some are due to genetic issues that are inherited, meaning the body itself makes misfolded proteins sometimes due to genes being coded with a bad mutation in the area that codes for that protein, and some are just sporadic, meaning one protein just decides to misfold because it got built slightly wrong cause that person is extremely unlucky and then it spreads
more reading here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4890484/
generally speaking, not something you wanna ever risk the chance of making more common
hell yeah i really appreciate you taking the time :mashallah:, thank you
i’m fascinated to know how that chance of being infected stacks up against life expectancy, but that’s gotta be an insane thing to study—probably a majority of possible prion-disease uhhh ‘infected’ might expire from other things before a decade or two of incubation actually completes. its not like we’re doing detailed studies of every dead person to check.
extremely interesting, the only subject that’s prompted me to consider going into biology
Some things should simply not be permitted in society regardless of what oppressed group practices it.
i didn’t assert Fore funerary cannibalism was okay because they are oppressed.
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very little you can do about fasting to death as well. You would basically have to imprison and forcefeed them
just have to rely on the fact no major religion calls for it and people natively don’t want to starve to death
(cw: cannibalism of stick figures)
You aren’t a true leftist unless you’re part of an elaborate Aristocrats joke
Do we even have a rule about links any longer?
Terminal stage “DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO” no-veggies-at-dinner-no-bedtimes ideology.
Guessing this is all actually about that incest cannibal coffin game.
The what
It’s called laylees Coffin or something like that, a girl has sex with her brother to manipulate him into helping kill and eat their neighbor
first of all, the game is alright, and second there isn’t actually any sex, it’s just a horror game with an extremely abusive manipulative sister/brother dynamic where there are a lot of fucked up things that happen like eating the neighbor, sacrificing souls to a demon, etc, near the end of the game there’s a choice you can make that is that the sister gets more serious about making sure her brother is only hers and that implies incest, for some reason people on twitter got really mad at the inclusion of incest as a topic when it’s very obviously not an endorsement but a bad theme like all of the others the game gets into
Doesn’t actual incest only happen in one route in a dream sequence or something?
Is the game worth it?
doesn’t the dev draw porn of the siblings? it’s very obviously a fetish thing.
Hilariously, /r/tankiejerk also complained about this post.
It’s probably one of their lot larping “as a leftist”. Same shit the fascists have done with “as a black man” forever. They used to do it with feminist stuff too, make completely psychotic accounts that they larped as and then used that as a content mine for the misogyny subreddits like trp pussypass etc etc.
Idk ive seen plenty if anarchist accounts argue that consensual cannibalism and incest shouldnt be illegal. The other day i saw a "thats gross, but not necissarily against my ideology’ post go around and people pretty much all said those two things or kink stuff.
This is a pretty extreme example of that i guess but not out of charachter.
