More LGBT+ relationships that aren’t the entire fucking plot of the movie. I wish relationships would develop around the plot narrative like we see heteronormative romances portrayed in action/thriller/etc movies. Right now we only really have movies where the entire fucking plot revolves around how gay someone is and their struggle with being gay and AcCePtInG tHeMsElVeS. It’s becoming trope-y and stale.
I just want to be pleasantly surprised someone’s LGBT+ in a movie and have the plot move on without fanfare like it would for a straight romance.
I liked Sulu meeting his husband and kid in the last Star Trek movie. Not in the dialogue, not central to the plot. Just a sailor getting to spend some time with his family.
I’ve never really thought about it until now whether George Takei even responded to that scene. It turns out he did, and he was against it. Original Sulu wasn’t gay. I liked Simon Peggs answer to that also - Gene pushed us with as much diversity as he could, but a gay character was a step too far for the 1960’s.
George liked the representation, but doesn’t like retroactively changing a character instead of making a new character. Which also happened subsequently in Star Trek Discovery.
You make a movie that is specifically LGBTQ themed where plot is about the characters queerness, and MFS on twitter complain.
You have a character that just happens to be queer and does not affect the plot at all, and MFS on twitter will complain (Like Lightyear, or Strange World) and they will even lie and say that the movie has hardcore anal gay sex scenes or something.
You cant win with MFS because they just dont want to see queer people in media.
I am queer and I dont care if the series or movies is all about the queerness or if someone in the movie just happens to be queer. I want the story to be good.
I really liked Billy Eichner’s character in Parks and Rec for this. I don’t even think they mentioned him being gay directly other than his character mentioning a boyfriend or going on a date and use male pronouns or something like that. It was just a matter of fact that the was gay. There was no reveal, no plot about it, it didn’t affect the story. He was just a worker in the department that happened to also be gay.
It probably also helped that Billy Eichner is actually gay, and he was probably able to use his perspective to guide the directors and such to what he would want to see in a gay character on a sitcom rather than what the directors think the gay viewers want. Which is what I think is normally happening when a character being gay is a huge plot point. I think it comes from a good place. But I think to normalize being gay, being gay has to be portrayed as normal.
More LGBT+ relationships that aren’t the entire fucking plot of the movie. I wish relationships would develop around the plot narrative like we see heteronormative romances portrayed in action/thriller/etc movies. Right now we only really have movies where the entire fucking plot revolves around how gay someone is and their struggle with being gay and AcCePtInG tHeMsElVeS. It’s becoming trope-y and stale.
I just want to be pleasantly surprised someone’s LGBT+ in a movie and have the plot move on without fanfare like it would for a straight romance.
Animation does have a few good examples of this, Kipo comes to mind
Nimona? It’s not the main plot, but i think it was… Refreshing
I liked Sulu meeting his husband and kid in the last Star Trek movie. Not in the dialogue, not central to the plot. Just a sailor getting to spend some time with his family.
I’ve never really thought about it until now whether George Takei even responded to that scene. It turns out he did, and he was against it. Original Sulu wasn’t gay. I liked Simon Peggs answer to that also - Gene pushed us with as much diversity as he could, but a gay character was a step too far for the 1960’s.
I wonder what George Takei was against, considering he himself is gay.
George is. Sulu was not.
George liked the representation, but doesn’t like retroactively changing a character instead of making a new character. Which also happened subsequently in Star Trek Discovery.
Schitt’s Creek manages this really well, though it is a TV show and has the time to do it.
Problem is:
You cant win with MFS because they just dont want to see queer people in media.
I am queer and I dont care if the series or movies is all about the queerness or if someone in the movie just happens to be queer. I want the story to be good.
I really liked Billy Eichner’s character in Parks and Rec for this. I don’t even think they mentioned him being gay directly other than his character mentioning a boyfriend or going on a date and use male pronouns or something like that. It was just a matter of fact that the was gay. There was no reveal, no plot about it, it didn’t affect the story. He was just a worker in the department that happened to also be gay.
It probably also helped that Billy Eichner is actually gay, and he was probably able to use his perspective to guide the directors and such to what he would want to see in a gay character on a sitcom rather than what the directors think the gay viewers want. Which is what I think is normally happening when a character being gay is a huge plot point. I think it comes from a good place. But I think to normalize being gay, being gay has to be portrayed as normal.
100% agreed.