Finnish Jolla makes their C2 phone and it comes with Sailfish OS: https://shop.jolla.com/
Wow… To escape Russia’s investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy. They really tried tu cut their ties with Russia!
Had my Fairphone 3 over 5 years now, and I dropped it a few hundred times ago - only equipped with the small “bumper” (a rubber ring around the edges). Only in the end I noticed worse reception - I guess some of the antenna contacts inside came lose. BUT you can totally disassemble the phone yourself and fix that - you only need a normal screwdriver. I upgraded to my Fairphone 5 a few days now - and I’m totally happy with it! Better camera, more storage and better fingerprint sensor.
Plus, they’ll support your phone with updates for 8 years, I think.
Probably Fairphone (from the Netherlands) and Shiftphone (from Germany), but that surely depends on how you define production.
Fairphone is great. I really can recommend it. It is a bit expensive at first and the specs are not something special, but mine seems to be almost indestructible. I dropped it like a 100 times and the screen is still fine. If it ever breaks I can replace it myself cheaply. I think in the long term, this makes it a lot better than many other phones. Also, a lot of the materials were sourced responsibly.
Do they force updates on users or can these be rejected completely?
They remind you, and implore you, telling you that it can be a security risk, but they don’t secretly update in the background or stuff like that. Fairphone has also always been very supportive towards installing non-stock android OS on their devices, (including pure Linux distros for phones running well enough).
They even have a list on their forum with OSs you can install. https://forum.fairphone.com/t/operating-systems-for-fairphones/11425
they don’t secretly update in the background or stuff like that.
That’s helpful, thank you. This kind of crap from Samsung drove me insane.
Why would you reject updates?
Because I want to.
“I want to be left with security holes unpatched”
Having the entire production line in Europe sounds almost too good to be true, but then again other comments point to HMD.
Personally I think Fairphone is about as good as it gets, due to the commitment to conflict-free minerals and all that. I’ve been super happy with Fairphone for more than half a decade now. :)
You can also buy them new with /e/OS, which is a de-Googled Android developed open source by a French company called Murena.
Pre-ordered the Shiftphone 8. While it’s promising I am unhappy with their constant delays and communication.
If I wanted to change my phone right now I will have this list -> Flagship Killer - Nothing Phone 2 - UK Company -> Mid Range - HMD Skyline - Finnish company, they bought Nokia brand. [ you can repair it yourself if you want a battery change or maybe you break the screen ] -> Something affordable [ 200Euros ] - CMF Phone 1 [ Nothing “cheaper” company ] -> Something extra-cheap, just for calls: HMD Pulse [ I think you will find it at around 80-100 Euros ]
In addition to Fairphone and Shiftphone, there is also Volla Phone.
Their self description: “Volla Systeme is an independent, German manufacturer of smartphones, optionally with its own Android operating system Volla OS or the mobile Linux distribution Ubuntu Touch. Volla OS is characterized by uncompromising data protection and a uniquely intelligent operating concept.”
Volla sells rebranded Gigaset with custom operating systems (Ubuntu Touch/VollaOS (degoogled android)). They don’t manufacture themselves.
I never heard of them before and just looked around for a bit but I couldn’t find any reviews of their current phones so far. If anybody has more information or wants to share personal experiences, I’d be interested.
At gnulinux.ch there were some articles / reviews about Volla (but in German): https://gnulinux.ch/artikelindex?search=Volla
In the comments of these articles you can also find some experience reports.
Fairphone. I’ve yet to try one myself, but I’ve seen a lot of good reviews
I’ve been using my FP4 for over 3 years, and can’t really complain too much about it. the battery life started degrading quite significantly for me last year (I use my phone a lot), so I just ordered a new one and replaced it in under a minute.
I’m sad this has to be mentioned to be sure, but for anyone reading this who may not know the concepts behind Fairphone: Yes, that is ordering a new battery, not having to order a new phone. Just wanting to make sure no one accidentally misunderstands, from being used to the status quo of phones being non-serviceable by the consumer.
I have a FP4 and like it well enough. It’s not without flaws though.
such a let down they axed off the headphone jack
My gf has a Fairphone 4 and it’s decent. She isn’t a power user so it works fine for her though as a techy person I find it kinda slow. Of course there is the 5 now and potentially the 6 later this year which will be faster.
Feels solid in the hand and the cameras are much better than I thought they would be
I know 4 people directly, who use a FP 3 or 4 and they are just fine. Best thing are the long lasting security updates (7+ years) and of course repairability.
I used a FP3 until recently, now a FP5. Very happy with it. Repairability is a very real thing in these phones, not just a gimmick. :)
I totally agree. Everyone is talking about those flagship stats nobody uses. I want a phone that works and that as long as possible. I daily drive a FP4 (included myself in the 4 people) with CalyxOS and I love it.
I only know one person in real life with a fp4 after 2.5 years or so.
She says it absolutely sucks, takes forever to load anything on mobile internet (apparently the antennas are horrible or something), android auto barely works, and she says it will probably end up being her least-long lasting phone because it is just becoming more unusable by the month.
I was ready to buy into a fp5 to replace my sony 5ii (partly because on the MKBHD picture test it scored just under the pixels for me personally and it actually has an SD card slot unlike pixels) until I heard that review. Especially because I use android auto regularly.
Then also on reddit, where people ask about fairphone experiences and it is not just advertisements like on Lemmy, every detailed review says it is software bugs galore and mediocre hardware. Allegedly fair phone developers don’t develop on fairphones so bugs are rarely noticed and take extremely long time to fix. Also I hear updates are extremely slow and late.
Again, I haven’t used one myself, but when reviews are in one of two categories:
- extremely vague “great phone no issues”
- Very detailed review of how buggy and slow to update or fix bugs it it is
I tend to believe the much more detailed review as I got burned on the HMD Nokia 7.1 that was the biggest piece of garbage I have ever used.
I rock an HMD XR-21, it’s more or less made in Europe https://www.hmd.com/de_de/hmd-xr-21?sku=P13K990001
Another vote here for HMD. I’m a Finn so totally biased but I recommend checking them out.
There is also Gigaset who claim that their smartphones are “Made in Germany” but I am not entirely sure to what exactly this covers.
Based on the specs, seems it’s only assembled in Germany with exception of a few parts like the battery.
It also seems to use standard Android with Google Play though.
If it does, then Fairphone would be a better option, or a phone offering from Murena perhaps too since that comes with /e/os
Gigaset is manufacturing in Germany afaik, but it is a Chinese-owned company. The phone runs on Android or Ubuntu Touch.
You may consider to buy a Gigaset pre-installed with UT or VollaOS (an Android-compatible OS by Volla Phone) at https://volla.online/ (Volla uses Gigaset phones).
Ah, I was confused by that. I thought Volla used their own manufacturer.
I thought VollaOS was just a custom rom? I noticed they use Ubuntu Touch and was surprised it was still alive. I thought Postmarket OS was the successor to it
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Or [email protected] if you want to make sure they adhere to EU laws.Lol, never mind, that’s where you posted it in the first place. Nice to see that the community is already gaining traction. :P
The single mod of the community we are in is missing. [email protected] has a lot of active mods, and more activity overall.
That might be, but it is not specific to the EU, and therefore not relevant to those of us looking for EU goods.
There is no rule in the sidebar stating that [email protected] is limited to the EU
European-made
European market
By that definition, is Norway included?
Fine, in that case i propose we make another community for those of us who want EU goods, so we don’t confuse them with european goods. Happy?
Not really. One community would be better than two, especially with how close they are.
The UK left the EU, but aren’t they still better allies than Trump-US at the moment? Is it better to get spend money in an iPhone or get a Nothing Phone? Switzerland is next door, even if one of the Proton board members acts suspiciously lately, wouldn’t you recommend people to use Proton rather than Gmail?
The /r/BuyfromEU subreddit allows European in the general terms, Switzerland, UK and Norway included. It seems more reasonable to use a similar definition.
I actually agree with you that, the EU/Europe destination doesn’t matter that much, but my pedantic side have to point out that “Europe” technically also include Belarus and a big chunk of Russia.
Im not very appreciative of your attempts to trap me using loaded questions. When have I ever mentioned America? I’m pretty sure that I have only ever argued for a EU-only community, and not a “EU+everyone except other non-EU european countries” community. Are european countries favorable compared to the USA? Of course they are! But that’s not what I’m arguing in the first place, so please let’s keep on topic.
Looking at this comms name, I’m rather sure that the rules are meant to be european (union), which, sadly, might be an error similar to those from the USA wrongfully calling their country “America”.
Regarding CM’s online status, I checked that they: made the account, made a few posts, made the comm, and the went offline. Likely someone testing out the waters and unlikely to return. In other words: This community does indeed have a dark future and should be evacuated.
Now, regarding why I’d want a EU-only community which does not encompass the UK, Norway, Switzerland, etc.: I want goods that I know adhere to EU standards (not russian, not Norwegian, not UK), and/or which are shipped from inside the EU (eg. not russian, not Norwegian, not UK, not even the USA (???)) so I don’t have to pay that stupid import handling fee of 25€ for my 2€ pack of chinese assorted transistors shipped from the UK.
In other words: I’m not attacking the existential rights of the ‘buyeuropean’ community - I think that community is great when looking for european goods - but I’m instead looking for a community specific to the EU. Again, not a community for EU+USA, not a “russia and friends”, not a “buyworldwide”, but a “buyfromEU”.
At last I’d like to apologize, for if this didn’t make my stance clear, then I’m unsure how to convey it to you.
Gigaset (yes, they’ve got smartphones, too)
There are phones designed and assembled in the EU, but materials and chip fab in EU is negligible.
Apart from fairphone which was already recommended a bunch of times I used to have a bq phone, an Aquaris U Plus that served me well for years. Obviously it’s also not made in Europe since smartphone production is always unethical and you can’t publicly announce that you’re producing something with slave labor in Europe. But the company seems to have gone bankrupt anyway so that’s in the past…
oneplus, SAMSUNG. google and apple are usa. from my understanding samsung phones for international users on some models are better than thier usa counterparts mainly because samsung wants people to buy the expensive flagship phones over the budget and mid phones.
OnePlus is Chinese, Samsung is South Korean
Just a minor nitpick: Samsung is not American but from South Korea. If you’re looking for “don’t buy from the US” than they’d be a valid option.
If you’re looking for “buy European” than the difference doesn’t matter though.
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