Oh it’s infamous racist Bryan Lunduke. Is there no rule against posting that guy?
Oh? What did he do
No it’s not, it’s based on BSD, or more specifically Darwin, which is derived from BSD, so Unix-like, but not Linux.
Although, oddly, macOS is a certified UNIX OS so it can rightfully sit at the table with the SysV distros such as AIX, HP-UX, or Solaris, but it’s nothing like those OSes in its nature.
Not just Unix-like but actually ancestrally Unix as well as being certified as Unix
It’d help if Lunduke were to explain the true origin of those things like Ada Lovelace and programming, and Grace Hopper and the moth. And what predated that.
10/10 roast in the comments
The video claims ada lovelace did not write the first computer program but it would kind of depend how you define what that is. If you check wikipedia it states:
“During 1842–1849, Ada Lovelace translated the memoir of Italian mathematician Luigi Menabrea about Charles Babbage’s newest proposed machine: the Analytical Engine; she supplemented the memoir with notes that specified in detail a method for calculating Bernoulli numbers with the engine, recognized by most of historians as the world’s first published computer program.”
From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languages
This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?
I saw this exact same comic a while back but it was for Fish Linux.
I wish it was then it may make sense. Every time I use the MacOS terminal. It’s like an uncanny valley so similar but the more you look the more horrific it becomes. I can’t even say it’s Unix is the problem as freebsd makes complete sense.
Thanks for the response. I’m ignorant in this topic. How is MacOS horrific?
For one, some of the coreutils are weird. They aren’t BSD coreutils, but they’re not GNU coreutils either. They’re like an old version of BSD coreutils with some GNU features added.
I didn’t know that. When I was searching for a new computer last month, I considered a Macbook because I liked BSD utilities more. I ended up buying a Thinkpad T14 and booting Chimera Linux(actually uses BSD utilities) on it.
macOS may not be FreeBSD, but it definitely is a BSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix#/media/File:Unix_history-simple.svg
Also some part of NetBSD
Whatever else it may be, macos most certainly Is Unix unfortunately
Yeah it’s Unix but all the paths and utilities are all out of wack from what I’m used to on freebsd and Linux distros
macOS is UNIX, certified UNIX actually.
But I mean, if someone had the merest impression of macOS and was very familiar with Linux and never bothered to look any further then I’d understand. Maybe they only played around with macOS a little and saw the terminal app had bash and most all the familiar tools as on Linux. It’s not hard to see why they might’ve thought it’s Linux based.
I think 10% of people believe nearly anything. It’s basically the rounding error for a survey.
Honestly, if you had asked me 10 minutes ago “Is MacOS based on Linux?” I would have gotten it wrong. But if you asked “Is MacOS based on UNIX or Linux?” I would have gotten it right.
Isnt
zshthe default macos shell?It has been since 2019 but before that it was bash.
I just got around to switching last month
They switched to bash in 2003 with Mac OS X 10.3; before that it was tcsh.
It is now, but it was
bashbefore.But in any case once you start doing anything remotely advanced you’ll find the individual command line utilities are wildly different between macOS and Linux. They seem (are?) much closer to FreeBSD than GNU utilities.
Yeah, it’s always fun to find out that a standard looking util on osx actually requires weird args and syntax.
I’m mostly used to it now. Though
-ris supported in macOS’rmcommand I still prefer-Rand use it even on Linux where I believe-ris the preferred argument.
Closer, maybe. Similar, not.
Unix, Linux, whats the diff? Its all the same.
<ducks and runs>
That license does nothing.
Your comments aren’t licensed because you put something in them. It’s stopping nothing. Licensing is an agreement, and requires parties to consent. You don’t just magically force licenses onto people.
If this was real I could license my comments where if you read them, you owe me 10k.
This is the digital equivalent of sovereign citizens.
So, if I go to a library, pick a book and start reading it, I am then free to completely copy it because I didn’t agree to any licensing?
I don’t think it’s equivalent to sovereign citizens. OP is the author of their comment and therefore has the copyrights. As the author one can license their work as all rights reserved or other permissive licenses.
OP chooses to license their work as Creative Commons.
They’re not forcing you to accept the license, it’s your local government that enforces copyright.
The reason why this might work on Lemmy but not on corporate Social media is that corporate social media often have terms of service that require you to give them ownership/rights/etc. Lemmy has no such ToC.
The reason why this might work on Lemmy but not on corporate Social media is that corporate social media often have terms of service that require you to give them ownership/rights/etc. Lemmy has no such ToC.
Actually, Safe Harbor laws would encompass social media sites as well, so it would work there as well.
Either corporations own the content you post and are responsible for it, or they just host your content you post that you own and are immune from harm for the content. The law is currently the latter, and not the former.
Also, law trumps ToS’s.
woosh
This comment is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
In case you want your license declaration to look the same as mine (instead of just being a quote), you can copy and paste in the following text …
[~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)
That license does nothing.
It makes me feel good. That’s something.
Can’t argue with that. I’m glad you’ve found something that you enjoy.
Well, I’d enjoy it more if people (in general) stopped bothering me about using a license for my content, than I actually do using a license for my content. 😜
I am getting annoyed on your behalf lol. Why do people feel the need to screech at others doing something harmless when they could just shut up and ignore it is beyond me. Not a fair comparison but it does feel like republicans shouting at trans people.
I feel like it somehow relates to Cunningham’s Law but i can’t figure out how to articulate it.
Thanks, appreciate the support!
It’s amazing how bent out of shape some people get about this, both currently, as well as about tenish months ago when I last was on Lemmy (check out my comment history from that time period if you really want to get annoyed).
I got to imagine that its people who want to farm the comments for their LLMs training, that are trying to prevent the popular usage of people licensing their content.
Honestly I don’t believe it would help myself but who am I to tell you what to do. As someone else mentioned, it’s probably people who simply have to correct others when they don’t share the option. Doubt it would be anything like being in support of LLMs, probably the opposite.
Honestly I don’t believe it would help myself
It would help if the companies that are training their LLMs honor content creators licenses. If they ignore the law in that, then it would in theory need to be policed.
In either case, its a quick copy/paste on my part, so /shrug.
As someone else mentioned, it’s probably people who simply have to correct others when they don’t share the option. Doubt it would be anything like being in support of LLMs, probably the opposite.
I don’t know. It would behoove those who need our content to train their LLMs to intimidate/redirect people away from licensing their content. And I can’t imagine regular people getting so caught up to spend so much time on this issue. If you look through my comment history, starting 9-10 months ago, and see how many replies I’ve gotten, and even how posts talk about this issue (https://lemmy.world/post/14942506), I can’t imagine a single link would cause all of that. Theres got to be something more to it than that.
I love the idea of licensing comments XD
You’re probably the only one, but thank you for saying that. 🙂
Does the lack of licensing in this comment mean it’s okay to steal?
Nope, the opposite: in the absence of an explicit license, the default is “all rights reserved.”
I don’t think just thanking someone is real content. /shrug
(Edit: I also declare all that I post/comment is licensed by me as well, in my user account description area.)
But answering someone who thinks they are being funny or annoying, by explaining things to them, would be considered content by me.
I kind of suspected it might be something like that, but it was a genuine query that, yes, was intended to be mildly humorous. I don’t intentionally annoy except maybe my wife.
Your indirect accusation made me smirk, but as far as I’ve noticed you’re the only one who does this without doing it on every comment, which seemed interesting enough to observe.
Yeah, I tend to push back a bit, as I wish people would discuss the subject at hand that the comment by me was made about, and not the license that I used in my comment.
Ah. Well, I have questions or comments I could make about the license. However, while I feel passionately about Unix and Linux and OSS in general, I don’t think I have anything useful or interesting to add to the thread that hasn’t already been said.
I wish you luck both with finding engaging conversation and with your licensing.
You are not new to lemmy, it says you registered a year ago, but is this the first time you meet a comment with license info? You are one of today’s lucky 10000.
I’ve seen this on multiple users, usually it’s some anti ai license. Like the laws stopped facebook from torrenting copyrighted books, an anti ai license will stop the next ai startup scraping the fediverse.
I’m only aware of myself, and the one other person who I learned to do this from, on Lemmy. That was tenish months ago, but still.
I haven’t seen anyone else, even the other person I mentioned previously, since having returned to Lemmy recently.
Be nice if you were right, but I haven’t seen it really.
GET HIM
<Looney Tunes running away in place noises>
They probably are thinking of the FreeBSD stuff in macOS.
I mean it’s kind of like the “humans evolved from monkeys” or whatever primate you want to substitute for monkey. No, they branched off from a common ancestor though.
I mean lots of people get mixed up between BSD, Linux, UNIX, and all the variations over the years. Is MacOS a version of Linux? No. Is a human a type of ape? No. Are MacOS and Linux way, way closer than either are to Windows, hell yes. Just like people are way closer to being monkeys than swallows. There’s a lot of mixed breeding in both examples and a lot of total incompatibilities as well.
Is a human a type of ape? No.
12% of humans believe we aren’t apes
Edit: hopeful the number is actually this low
12% of humans believe we aren’t apes
All humans are apes, those people more so than most.
Humans are apes.
Except humans aren’t just any apes, humans are great apes.
Given the topic, this distinction is highly relevant.
Not me, I am a damn dirty ape.
Go back and read the first post in the chain again…
Are humans based on apes or great apes?
Pft, everyone knows macOS is just a fancy DE on top of Hannah Montana Linux
12% of people believed JFK was going to be resurrected a year ago or some dumb shit. The point is, more than 1/4 of the population are not smart.
Well it depends where you sit on the bell curve, 1/8 of the population thinks the other 1/8 are fucking stupid, whilst been completely oblivious to the fact that they are in fact also fucking stupid
Most people think UNIX and Linux are the same thing so this makes sense. Obviously to us they aren’t but for most people it really doesn’t matter. I’m sure they’ll still sleep at night.
I get that it specifies tech workers, but still my first reaction was that 12% is pretty low. You can find a much higher percentage of people who are confidently wrong about way more important things.
