I will say I don’t get quite the logic of being like:
“Yeah this countries spyware is bad so I’m running straight into the arms of this other countries spyware just to stick it to you original spyware!”
Instead of just, like, getting off the spyware.
It’s like being robbed and pulling out a gun to shoot yourself before the robber can and throwing your wallet into a street.
Sure it spites the robber but they can just shrug and move on to a weirdo who isn’t shooting themselves and they will probably just loot your pockets for spare change anyways.
Maybe I don’t feel that drive to be social at all costs.Most people do not care about digital privacy to the extent that they’ll ever give anything up to achieve it. Online communities are not in any way representative of the general attitude towards these issues.
If I ask people whether they’re willing to put a mic in their house to let me spy on everything they’re saying they’ll say no. If I say it’ll also turn lights on and off and play despacito on demand the vast majority say yes. In isolation people prefer privacy, so long as it costs literally nothing. As long as they have to give up nothing. That’s where we are, unfortunately.
The government took away your brain damage app, so you protest installing blatant authoritarian spyware on your phone… truly a genuis giga-chad move that will own the guberment.
Our phones are full of blatant authoritarian spyware already. What’s one more? I’d rather the CCP own my data than Meta or Microsoft anyways.
Yeah nothing of an average person’s phone comes close to tiktok. It a tally has arbitrary code execution it uses to essentily custom fit it’s spying per user.
It’s like saying “well I already have microplastics in me” and chugging a bottle of lead acetate.
The actual gigachad move: Leave your phone at home and go touch grass.
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Lmao .ml losers are big mad.
Remember that authoritarian regimes spying on people is only ok when it’s the US who does it!
Two things being bad doesn’t mean they are automatically equivalent. Yes both spy on their citizens, but as bad as the US, China is far far worse.
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The US just elected a felon, don’t think they care about what’s on your phone
Is enabling a genocide authoritarianism or is it good and holy?
After 15 months of genocide why do you think the US has any moral high ground? Racism? Because you don’t see Palestinians as people?
You are not entitled to talk down or preach to anyone. Your liberal government funded and defended a genocide. Or is sanctioning the ICC what innocent rule-respecting people do?
Holier-Than-Thou Liberal American are the biggest hypocrites and they are not even aware of it.
We know the real reason why it is getting bad. Not convenient for genocide.
If we could turn whataboutism into electricity this post would end our dependence on fossil fuels.
Persecution of Uyghurs in China - Wikipedia https://search.app/q2XjLizWrFBPHnWS9
So did/is China… All countries are controlled by the oligarchy. The oligarchy does evil shit in every country.
Why is China’s persecution of the Uyghurs used as an excuse for the Democratic Party facilitating a genocide? Two things can be bad at the same time, though with genocide and attempted ethnic cleansing being obviously worse.
First, it’s the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs, same as Israel and the Palestinians.
Second, no excuses here. You brought up the Israeli genocide in a thread that had nothing to do with the genocide and did it in a way so as to seemingly say that China is somehow less corrupt and guilty than the US… It’s not. Neither genocide is excusable or justifiable.
It is absolutely relevant to why Tiktok is being banned.
Also equating the two is dishonest at best. The images from both tell a totally different story. You are just propagandized.
I’m not American you dipshit.
They didn’t say anything about a genocide, they’re talking about Spyware apps. Your brainrot is showing, you’re unable to follow logic, try to stay on topic.
That’s a lame argument when the whole point is controlling the narrative and we know the ADL is one of the lobbying groups pushing for the ban to silence opposition to the genocide.
Typical of you to deny, deflect and dehumanize. At least Republicans are honest.
At least Republicans are honest.
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They are honest about being hateful and racist. Liberals twist themselves into knots justifying a genocide while claiming to be humane and enlightened.
You use the same cadence as so many buzz phrases and talking points. I think it might be time to deprogram a little bit. Step away and come back ina. Few weeks or months when you’ve had time to process.
Chris Hayes: Biden is leaving a ‘disgraceful legacy’ on Gaza
US signals support for possible ICC sanctions over Israel warrants
Opposition to genocide is not a talking point, unless you are racist and don’t see anything wrong with the mass slaughter of Palestinians. Realizing that the motives behind the ban are about controlling the narrative doesn’t take a lot of digging around, politicians and lobbyists admitted to it.
Failing to admit that the Democratic Party is guilty of genocide is tribalism at its finest. Failing to recognize the motives behind the ban is willful ignorance.
Forget it…
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The fact that people are ok with this blows my fucking mind. Corps literally normalised being buttfucked.
I’m pretty sure most people who are doing this are trying, in their own way, to make a point.
It wasn’t about “national security”. It was about a large digital meeting place where ideas could be shared, or feelings and frustrations at their government could be seen and felt by others who felt the same. Big Brother doesn’t like that, unless it is on US Corporate Approved Social Media, where they can promptly shut you down, or get their algorithm to put post with specific keywords out of the eyes of as many as possible.
So, instead of creating actual data privacy laws, as they should have, they decided to attack TikTok, because Mark Zuckerburg got in front of congress during whatever case it was that brought his lizard ass in the room (maybe the Cambridge Analytica scandal?) and said that TikTok was more dangerous than his own platform.
There you go. It was never about “national security”, as there were much better ways to handle that than banning one single app.
They did write data privacy laws when they banned TikTok. Read HR 815 Division H and Division I of 118th Congress, which is just HR 7520 and 7521 bundled into a larger bill.
The original text of HR 7520 is:
(a) Prohibition.—It shall be unlawful for a data broker to sell, license, rent, trade, transfer, release, disclose, provide access to, or otherwise make available personally identifiable sensitive data of a United States individual to—
(1) any foreign adversary country; or
(2) any entity that is controlled by a foreign adversary.
(b) Enforcement by Federal Trade Commission.—
(1) UNFAIR OR DECEPTIVE ACTS OR PRACTICES.—A violation of this section shall be treated as a violation of a rule defining an unfair or a deceptive act or practice under section 18(a)(1)(B) of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 57a(a)(1)(B)).
(2) POWERS OF COMMISSION.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The Commission shall enforce this section in the same manner, by the same means, and with the same jurisdiction, powers, and duties as though all applicable terms and provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 41 et seq.) were incorporated into and made a part of this section.
(B) PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES.—Any person who violates this section shall be subject to the penalties and entitled to the privileges and immunities provided in the Federal Trade Commission Act.
(3) AUTHORITY PRESERVED.—Nothing in this section may be construed to limit the authority of the Commission under any other provision of law.
Definition of Foreign Adversary:
“(4) FOREIGN ADVERSARY COUNTRY.—The term “foreign adversary country” means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code.”
Which states:
“(2) Covered nation .— The term “covered nation” means— (A) the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea; (B) the People’s Republic of China; (C) the Russian Federation; and (D) the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
But I think it also includes a few other countries, idk if this text is up to date.
I… don’t really care about a foreign government having my data. Like, Id rather no one does, but the US government is the only one with direct impact on my life personally. Who gives a fuck about China. I will literally never go there.
I don’t care if you don’t mind having harm done to you, the entirety of the USA would suffer from continued data collection by the CCP. The entirety of the USA would suffer from more “pig butchering” scams, more industry hacks and subterfuge, more US Military installations being mapped out. That’s all ignoring their impact on politics.
So stop bothering us here and go screw around on RedNote if thats what you think.
Doing the the thing in direct opposition to what an authority is demanding is like a trauma response or something.
it’s also a good idea when the authority is being a piece of shit and grew too comfortable in their position.
moving your data from your domestic authoritarian to a foreign authoritarian isn’t the gotcha you think it is
The data is stored on US soil, so whatever they are able to gather, the US government is allowing it. Which means… all social media. So, ban all social media then if it’s such a risk, right? Or… I don’t know… maybe make an actual data privacy law so no one can steal and hoover up your precious data?
It is if you want to stick it to the domestic authoritarian
Look m8 IDC how authoritarian they are, if China wants to see how much brain rot I can get through in an 8 hour period that’s fine, it’s not like they’re an authority over me
In the US, especially for some marginalized groups (trans folks mostly right now) there’s an active push by the govt to make people hate us, I don’t want THAT authority to have any of my fucking data, especially when analysis of my scrolling habits could tell them when I’m most likely home or whatnot.
Given the choice between an authoritarian and an authoritarian, I’ll take the authoritarian who can’t exert power over me thanks
Except they’re not just both authoritarian; they’re both capitalist. So TikTok (or whatever) will just sell your data to brokers and it’ll eventually end up in the hands of Americans who would visit your home.
Are you somehow not aware that Google/Facebook/Twitter literally do the same thing? Wouldn’t it make more sense to create a data privacy law so that everyone benefits? I don’t understand why that’s so hard to grasp for some of these folks.
Yeah absolutely. Grassroots organising is good but so is being angsty on the internet. Like how a few people were talking about voting as a tool for harm prevention on an individual rather than systemic level before the election. Whatever works to make you feel less powerless is a good thing
China was caught logging every keystroke through this. It’s why some revamped it’s permissions a while ago.
In China it shows people how to be good, science, technology., education, nature.
Here it show kids to eat tide pods.
It’s a propaganda method for China.
Yes, surely no other apps log keystrokes. Certainly not Gboard!
It’s irrelevant whether other apps do it – it’s still wrong.
See, to me, it’s not irrelevant. Either make a blanket data privacy law, or shut the fuck up.
Right? If logging keystrokes is “wrong”, then ban that! I’ve never downloaded TikTok in my life but this entire thing is so transparently manufactured.
Of course not, Google does no evil. Everyone knows that.
Does anybody have that image of Google as Lionel hutz’ advertisement from the Simpsons?
Don’t be evil?
No, Selling Data!
I could not care less if China has every single thing I’ve ever typed. They’re literally half a world away, and have never tried to launch a war on vague concepts.
The US government nor any corporate owner of the US government should have a single idea of my existence except for tax purposes.
Oh you sweet summer child!
have never tried to launch a war on vague concepts.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Are you serious?
China didn’t have a war on terror or war on crime.
They may not have called it that but look into the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Both governments are bad. But the fact Chinese and us citizens are interacting face to face is a major positive.
…neither of those things were wars, and both of those campaigns were successful by any possible measure.
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Yeah. Lemmy users should spend a bit of time deconstructing why tik tok makes them so angry. There’s a bit to unpack there. Not that it isn’t trash.
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I don’t understand why the people here who like TikTok aren’t on a Reddit instead. They don’t mind closed-source software on a corporate server manipulating us. There’s people who want just TikTok gone, and people who want all centralized social media gone.
I don’t understand why the people here who like TikTok aren’t on a Reddit instead.
Reddit is not as leftist as I’d like it to be. Reddit app is garbage while Sync is awesome. I left in solidarity the day they banned third party apps.
I like the idea of decentralized social media and I trust you tech savvy lemmings about its importance, but I also have a weakness for nice communities and TikTok has/had one.
I’m… pretty sure people can like both open source and closed source things… “manipulating” yes. I’ve been so manipulated. I’ve been so manipulated that I think there should be actual data privacy laws. They got me.
Cool, I’d like a pony too.
The shit liberals just go along with because it fits their propaganda is genuinely fucking hilarious.
It’s not that deep. AIPAC fucking hated how the truth about Israel’s genocide was spreading, and told their puppets to ban it.
The DNC chose to lose 3 branches of government rather than disobey Israel.
IT professionals clutching their pearls is just this year’s “won’t somebody think of the bank windows!” Our data is fucked already. Security and privacy had been made worthless now and only seems to have a compensative value to tech companies. So why not cast it to the wind and watch them scramble after it?
Post your phone number.
Post your home address
but you already know where me and your mom live
You both live in the same place…
In my heart. 🫶
Multiple data leaks have came about because of Facebook yet you don’t see anyone here saying anything about being happy to ban it. It’s so weird to see the disconnect. The true answer is for ALL of us to have actual data privacy laws enacted by our dinosaurs in government.
People are disgusted by the idea that one random person could track their every move and read everything they write.
Unless that person is employed at a large corporation.I used to date a Google employee. They had a Signal chat where they shared screenshots of funny or interesting shit they saw on the user accounts.
And many abused their access to spy on ex-partners and the like.Its actually worse than that.
I’ve recently met an increasing number of Gen Alpha / Zoomers that all have all their friends in some kind of family location tracking app, so they all know each other’s locations at all times, and actually you’re a rude asshole if you think that’s weird.
They also think you’re rude if you don’t have an iPhone. What a weird generation.
oh fuck
That’s horrific. I hope your relationship ended amicably?
Not really, she caught me Binging someone else.
I forgot which community this was lmao
I am still angry at Facebook for normalizing using your real name. That eroded a lot of basic security practices.
Now little 7yos share mommy’s credit card in YouTube comments.
I used to be disgusted that people didn’t seem to care that they were risking their own privacy and national security to boot. But then I remembered that our own government won’t do anything to keep our individual privacy in check from corporations. So as long as that’s the case, I don’t see why anyone should give a fuck. The government did this to themselves.
We underestimated how little people trust the government compared to how much they hate china
And hence EU and UK regulations are so fucking needed. GDPR and legal requirements for companies to follow is a god sent.
Got a cold email? &hit them with that sweet chat gbt copy pasta!
Got a cold email? &hit them with that sweet chat gbt copy pasta!
Wait what? Can you give me more details?
Sorry I’m too American because I bend over and accept corporate penetration.
So, company cannot buy your data. A company also needs a valid reason to hold your data. Also, company needs to have your consent to have this data, ie, you need to interact with them.
So if someone messages you out of the blue, someone you never dealt with… How did they get your info? How do they have a valid reason to contact you if you never dealt with them before? And why would they have your permission to contact you if you never gave it to them?
Answer is, they’re using your info illegally. The copy pasta is basically giving them notice to remote all your records and if they don’t comply you’ll be reporting them.
Fun fact - GDPR applies to EU citizens wherever they are, so as an American you can ask to get your data removed based on GDPR and even though it doesn’t apply to you, they will often not bother to check and do it.
Or, you know, claim they deleted the data, which is the best you’ll get nowadays.
Makes sense as the only difference is jurisdiction, who steals your data, and what flavor the propaganda is. You got 2 bad options:
The fully automated
malware“advertisement” system that steals every loose bit of information on device and sends it to the highest bidder and the US government(if they pay) while telling you how you feel and what to buy.OR
The fully automated
malware“for your safety” system that steals every loose bit of information on device and sends it to the Chinese government while telling you how you feel and that you love the government or else. As a bonus it will piss off a boomer in congress.They clearly don’t know or understand any alternatives otherwise they would go there.
Easy choice. The US gov has massive power over me. The Chinese gov has near zero.
If I had to choose I’m definitely going for the Chinese.
Except to, y’know, influence elections and culture and shit.
That said, Facebook and Google are worse.
Wasn’t just the corpos it was a joint project between the corps and the government. And in rebellion people are giving a rival nation full access to everything. If China had an obligation competitor you would be smart betting that they would’ve seen millions of holes before dawn just form people trying to spit in the face if tbe US.
Its a sensible protest, wtf is China going to do with that data that the US government and attached corporations wouldn’t do, right?
Let’s be real the only reason tiktok is getting banned is because the US govt isn’t getting any tax money from all the data being harvested.
At least with other social media that openly sells your data to foreign countries the govt can collect that sweet sweet tax money to line the pockets of people with too much money as it is.
The real reason is that it’s competition for the broligarchs. They want it gone, thinking that all that traffic will come to their platforms.
That’s why there’s no chance that the govt will do what many in this thread are saying would be logical–ban the data collection and manipulation itself, not just one foreign competitor–be consistent, Meta, X, etc. should also be banned.
So regardless of how stupid people are for signing up on the Chinese alternatives, at least it’s good that they’re refusing to move to Meta, YT, X, etc. They’re deliberately not rewarding the broligarchs.
It’s nothing to do with tax revenue and everything to do with controlling the narrative through social media. More specifically the fact they couldn’t use TikTok to convince people there was no genocide in Gaza was what kicked all of this off.
These idiots are seething st the mouth to have their privacy buttfucked.
Go get it, kings and queens. Surely trading your own security for (checks notes) …wow… dopamine hits from shitposts isn’t going to have any negative impacts.
People worship corps.
The US gov hereby declares China butt fucking Americans banned!
Americans… Oh African butt fucking is awesome!
It’s just learned habit.
amazing how much you missed the joke lmao
Thanks but if like to keep my banking data private. Along with everything else.
Bend over for…
Yes.
Here comes the honey!
Truly a shitpost indeed
Relax, they’re just doing some “advanced” compartmentalization to get their social credit up.
On a serious note, you have to realise that some people genuinely do not care. Why? For many reassons. But an important one is that privacy concerns are a source of anxiety, at least for me. It’s difficult, it sounds paranoid and unreasonable to somebody who’s “not in the know”.
I think we should introduce privacy at a more generic level. We shouldn’t judge people for using these apps, no matter how bad we may think they are.
Take back control of your data. Take back the power you’re giving to big tech. You have that right.
what is this xingchang (or whatever it’s called)?
it’s red book or red note or something.
Social media alternative for TikTok that may go down in the USA.
xiao hong … shit something. I’m pretty sure it’s not “bao”, that’s package. Xiao - small, hong - red (like hong kong)
