If only they’d have listened to…their entire voter base…instead of the foreign donors
It’s weird to blame foreign donors instead of Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed, which donated 40 mill, and whose stock half of congress own.
Israel is the client state here.
No Shit
I understand what you mean, but the number of Americans who care about Gaza for it to impact their vote wasn’t clear. Everyone (including me, admittedly) thought the economy was the main reason Harris lost and everything else came after, so this is new information.
I dunno, any attempt I ever made to engage in the discourse around her stance on Gaza was tiring and alienating. Even stating that she was the lesser of two evils and that I’d vote for her didn’t stop people from dismissing me as a Russian bot, or a bad faith actor who’s merely trying to hurt the momentum of her campaign.
The ‘swallow the genocide or democracy gets it’ crowd didn’t make the issue go away; they just made it silent.
Gaza is not a small topic right now. In a political landscape where Donald Trump thinks it’s important to make a pretense of being anti-war, the democrats genuinely supporting the worst kind of war was always going to be bad for them.
So a lot of people are angry at them for letting Harris lose because they held on to their anti-genocide moral high ground; they should’ve sucked it up and voted for her because the alternative was so much worse. Allegedly, if Harris had broken with Biden to denounce genocide, she would have lost too many voters.
So who the fuck were those people?! Let’s unpack this. If Harris were to oppose genocide, and they were to get angry, the same argument would apply to them: Suck it up and vote for her, or you’re supporting the destruction of democracy. And if they stayed home anyway, then it would mean that they’d rather see Harris lose than ease up on genocide. “Keep sending bombs to kill kids, or we’ll let women and LGBTQ people suffer, by God!”
Do such monsters exist in our midst? I dunno, seems to me like they’d already be voting for the guy who allegedly would genocide harder. But if they exist, it makes a lot more sense to be angry at them.
As you correctly point out, and according to the article:
Of course, diverging from Biden on Gaza risked losing voters who supported his policy. But a close look at the survey suggests that risk was low compared to the potential reward. Voters who were with Biden in 2020 and stuck with Harris in 2024 were asked if breaking with him on Gaza would make them more or less enthusiastic about voting for Harris. By a 35 to 5 margin, they said doing so would have made them more enthusiastic to vote for her, with the remainder saying it would have made no difference.
The real issue is Biden shouldn’t have been materially supporting genocide in the first place
Then Harris wouldn’t have needed to decide to break with his administration or not.
The whole situation was russian propaganda.
Nobody would care about American bombs ripping apart thousands of children if Russia didn’t tell them to.
Really this is Russia’s fault that genocide is unpopular.
This seems obvious.
What is less obvious to me is why so many seem to have been comfortable voting for an open fascist as a protest vote for something not happening in their own country.
“This is wrong, so I’m going to make sure the US gets way worse in solidarity. That’ll show the dems.”
Put that energy behind housing prices.
That they’re own internal never had them winning and that thry weren’t throwing every popular idea at the wall hoping something stuck is gross incompetence
Kamala is the new Hillary. Who cares? Last year’s news.
From 2020 to 2024, Democrats saw a staggering dropoff in support at the presidential level, with some 19 million people who voted for Joe Biden staying home (or not mailing in their ballots) in 2024. Now, a new survey conducted by YouGov suggests Biden’s support for Israel’s unrelenting assault on Gaza played a surprisingly large role in the choice of those previous Biden supporters not to vote.
The top reason those non-voters cited, above the economy at 24 percent and immigration at 11 percent, was Gaza: a full 29 percent cited the ongoing onslaught as the top reason they didn’t cast a vote in 2024.
Looking narrowly at states that swung from Biden in 2020 to Trump in 2024, the number is smaller. But in those states, 20 percent still cited Gaza as the reason they didn’t vote again. The poll was paid for by the Institute for Middle East Understanding Policy Project, which has been an outspoken critic of Israel’s assault on Gaza.
You mean breaking with the whole of the united states government, both parties.
Honestly y’all fucking idiots
“I don’t like her stance on gaza so let the neonazi take control”. Do you think he’s gonna make it better???
I mean if this is to be believed he kinda did make it better. We can all hate on the orange man but it seems he kept his word here.
In what some Israeli media described as a “tense meeting”, Witkoff delivered his message. The president-elect was emphatic that he wanted a ceasefire-for-hostages deal. Trump wanted the war in Gaza finished. He had other fish to fry.
Ah the zero sum game enjoyer has logged on, where everything is a zero sum game, if you had to vote between Hitler and Mussolini you would shed a single tear and proudly cast your ballot for Mussolini as he is clearly the less bad option and go to sleep soundly knowing your vote didn’t benefit Hitler.
didnt your country literally side with Stalin against hitler?
More like a choice between keeping him out or letting him in, but please, continue whaling on those straws.
I doubt she will pay much of a price at all. I bet she will do fine the next four years.
This does not parse as a reply ro my comment
It does, but it’s rather oblique. They’re commenting on how utterly divorced from reality the American political establishment has become.
