This guy is trash but I can’t get behind doxxing. Maga types will be doing a lot of this over the next 4 years and I certainly won’t like it when they’re doxxing immigrants and LGBTQ folks.
Be clear: I think this dude is as bad as they come, I’m just not comfortable with popularizing the practice, especially when maga types are fans of setting things on fire / shooting at things they disagree with.
If you think my comment is a defense of nick Fuentes, or that horrible slogan, you’re as wrong as is physically possible. I know he’s done worse than this, and now is hiding behind elongated. But that still doesn’t make it a good thing to popularize.
By justifying it, you’re justifying it for them too, as they believe they have the same or similar grievances. Regardless of who you think is more guilty.
I understand the desire. But two wrongs don’t make a right.
For example, I’m also against the jokes about prison rape. I don’t care who you are, you don’t deserve to be repeatedly raped because you committed a crime.
Edit the point is that feeling of seeking retribution is natural. You want “bad” people to get the very worst of life. But if for nothing else it’s best not to act on those thoughts because we wouldn’t want that “retribution” brought upon others or even ourselves.
I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll be totally ok with it if I start actively harming women by insinuating I own them and you doxx me for that so that women can come tell me how I’ve harmed them. If I spout white supremacist drivel I want you to punch me until I stop. If I make thinly veiled rape threats I want you to kill me.
Since I want that to happen to me, I can go ahead and do what I want, right?
It’s not “you”, it’s the innocent people about to be doxxed for their immigration status, who are not interested in whatever deal you’re comfortable with.
Once the practice becomes politically popularized, the cat is out of the bag.
If you think non-fascists being civil and respectful to fascist is going to give fascists even a fraction of a second of pause before they do shitty things, my only possible conclusion is that you’re painfully naïve and also that you don’t actually understand what fascism is.
The point is they will do it too, and it will have been increasingly normalized. It will not be applied per your definition of “fine”. Remember, “they” (read, maga types) think immigrants and others are “harming society”.
“They” also do things like voter intimidation at polling places, burning ballot boxes and similar. I wouldn’t say it’s ok to do those things, just because right wing fascists are doing it.
Be clear: I want the very worst for him, but I want it to come from a system of justice, not a method that often leads to innocent bystanders being hurt.
By popularizing the topic it is normalized. There’s also no need to compromise ethical standards.
I want Fuentes charged for the hate crimes and terroristic threats he makes. I am NOT defending him. But I don’t want people going into his neighborhood, getting the house wrong and hurting an innocent person, for example. Or maybe he moves and the new owner gets the heat.
There is no legal or verbal defense against this madness.
Once it spreads, historically, industrial levels of violence are the only way to try to put the genie back in the bottle.
I’d rather small scale intimidation against ringleaders like nick, than having to bomb the fuck out of some redneck stronghold in Missouri in 10 years.
My opinion is clearly unpopular here and I’m ok with it. I don’t think it’s cool to normalize violence (or threats of violence) even if the recipient is abhorrent. This isnt a “oh let’s all have free speech, let’s here what maga has to say” / platforming type of comment/opinion I’m sharing. It’s a “I’m not going to normalize violence especially because I don’t want it turned around on at risk people.”
Y’all are free to have your own voice on it, I’m just sharing my view.
The violence of the oppressors is normalized because they can pass laws to enforce it. The only violence you’re opposed to is the defense of the oppressed.
You’re not comfortable using a tactic these chucklefucks use aggressively against us?
You’re as bad as DNC leadership, tbh. This “they go low we go high” idiocy got us where we are. Stop bringing a fucking deck of cards to a gunfight.
Do not lean into the paradox of tolerance. Intolerant views must not be tolerated. It’s always a good day to punch (or dox, or harass, or share their extremist views to their employer or…) a Nazi.
Hey, don’t get me wrong - I get what you’re saying, and nominally I wholeheartedly agree. I just ALSO feel that there’s a single, very specific exception: when a political movement inherently involves political violence (that is: fascism), this rule absolutely does not apply.
I get the motivation, I’m just sharing my opinion that I can’t follow, because I personally believe other innocent folks will be swept up and hurt in the process.
I am no friend of these maga types. I think people here are very angry about these people (edit like Fuentes… Rightfully so!, I am too.) and my comment is perhaps seen as “defending”? Him. I am not. I just don’t think this is the way to do it.
Again: I get what you’re saying. And again: I do nominally agree.
What I’m saying is that you’re looking at the trumpians/maga/proud boys/3%ers as “weird republicans”. They’re not. You need to be looking at them as NSDAP/Nazis/Sturmabteilung. Because that’s what they are. And the want to kill a whole fucking lot of us, because it gives them a hard-on.
Moreover, I’m not saying that we should be conducting overt, systemic political violence now, but I AM saying that we need to be fully prepared for that eventuality. And to that end, we should be looking to the Maquis, as well as the Polish + German resistance throughout WW2.
I see resistance against their ways as clinging to, and calling for maintaining norms (when norms are ethical, reasonable… I fully acknowledge even without maga MUCH needs to be improved in America). It is my belief that by normalizing their tools, we institutionalize their methods. We, by participation, make common what should be extraordinary.
It is my opinion that resisting fascist drift is resisting. Others don’t see it this way and are claiming I’m an apologist or something. That’s too bad cause fuck nick Fuentes. I just don’t like doxxing.
I mean just the other day some folks were talking about his catty posts about the twilight movies. Trump is in some way relatable because he most the faults of everyone I’ve ever met.
This guy is trash but I can’t get behind doxxing. Maga types will be doing a lot of this over the next 4 years and I certainly won’t like it when they’re doxxing immigrants and LGBTQ folks.
Be clear: I think this dude is as bad as they come, I’m just not comfortable with popularizing the practice, especially when maga types are fans of setting things on fire / shooting at things they disagree with.
If you think my comment is a defense of nick Fuentes, or that horrible slogan, you’re as wrong as is physically possible. I know he’s done worse than this, and now is hiding behind elongated. But that still doesn’t make it a good thing to popularize.
Eh… fuck em. Let them fuck around and find out. I’m tired of playing nice guy with these twats.
This is literally what they’ve been saying for years. It’s amazing how much we are like the people we hate the most.
GOP behavior baseline is Dems breaking point behavior. Notable difference.
By justifying it, you’re justifying it for them too, as they believe they have the same or similar grievances. Regardless of who you think is more guilty.
I understand the desire. But two wrongs don’t make a right.
For example, I’m also against the jokes about prison rape. I don’t care who you are, you don’t deserve to be repeatedly raped because you committed a crime.
Edit the point is that feeling of seeking retribution is natural. You want “bad” people to get the very worst of life. But if for nothing else it’s best not to act on those thoughts because we wouldn’t want that “retribution” brought upon others or even ourselves.
I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll be totally ok with it if I start actively harming women by insinuating I own them and you doxx me for that so that women can come tell me how I’ve harmed them. If I spout white supremacist drivel I want you to punch me until I stop. If I make thinly veiled rape threats I want you to kill me.
Since I want that to happen to me, I can go ahead and do what I want, right?
It’s not “you”, it’s the innocent people about to be doxxed for their immigration status, who are not interested in whatever deal you’re comfortable with.
Once the practice becomes politically popularized, the cat is out of the bag.
If you think non-fascists being civil and respectful to fascist is going to give fascists even a fraction of a second of pause before they do shitty things, my only possible conclusion is that you’re painfully naïve and also that you don’t actually understand what fascism is.
Doing their dance moves doesn’t make us “good” anymore.
Those two scenarios are mutually exclusive.
It’s like saying, “Well, you don’t want non-violent offenders in prison, so no one should ever go to prison for any reason.”
Nah, doxxing streamers or random people cause you’re a no life creep is disgusting.
Doxxing people actively harming society is fine.
The point is they will do it too, and it will have been increasingly normalized. It will not be applied per your definition of “fine”. Remember, “they” (read, maga types) think immigrants and others are “harming society”.
They already are. This is just self defense.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
“They” also do things like voter intimidation at polling places, burning ballot boxes and similar. I wouldn’t say it’s ok to do those things, just because right wing fascists are doing it.
“when they go low, we go high”
No thanks, I’m all out of weed. Let’s fight them where they are instead.
They are hoping you’ll say that
There’s nothing wrong with ruining the life of a monster like Nick Fuentes. There are consequences to publicly encouraging rape.
Be clear: I want the very worst for him, but I want it to come from a system of justice, not a method that often leads to innocent bystanders being hurt.
Sure but why on earth should that mean we should condemn it universally? It’s not like they’d stop if we did.
By popularizing the topic it is normalized. There’s also no need to compromise ethical standards.
I want Fuentes charged for the hate crimes and terroristic threats he makes. I am NOT defending him. But I don’t want people going into his neighborhood, getting the house wrong and hurting an innocent person, for example. Or maybe he moves and the new owner gets the heat.
There is no legal or verbal defense against this madness.
Once it spreads, historically, industrial levels of violence are the only way to try to put the genie back in the bottle.
I’d rather small scale intimidation against ringleaders like nick, than having to bomb the fuck out of some redneck stronghold in Missouri in 10 years.
My opinion is clearly unpopular here and I’m ok with it. I don’t think it’s cool to normalize violence (or threats of violence) even if the recipient is abhorrent. This isnt a “oh let’s all have free speech, let’s here what maga has to say” / platforming type of comment/opinion I’m sharing. It’s a “I’m not going to normalize violence especially because I don’t want it turned around on at risk people.”
Y’all are free to have your own voice on it, I’m just sharing my view.
The violence of the oppressors is normalized because they can pass laws to enforce it. The only violence you’re opposed to is the defense of the oppressed.
Untrue. I’m opposed to violence that involves innocent bystanders.
Is Nick Fuentes an innocent bystander?
You’re not comfortable using a tactic these chucklefucks use aggressively against us?
You’re as bad as DNC leadership, tbh. This “they go low we go high” idiocy got us where we are. Stop bringing a fucking deck of cards to a gunfight.
Do not lean into the paradox of tolerance. Intolerant views must not be tolerated. It’s always a good day to punch (or dox, or harass, or share their extremist views to their employer or…) a Nazi.
I shared my opinion that I’m not into normalizing political violence, even if they are already comfortable with it. I get y’all don’t agree.
Hey, don’t get me wrong - I get what you’re saying, and nominally I wholeheartedly agree. I just ALSO feel that there’s a single, very specific exception: when a political movement inherently involves political violence (that is: fascism), this rule absolutely does not apply.
I get the motivation, I’m just sharing my opinion that I can’t follow, because I personally believe other innocent folks will be swept up and hurt in the process.
I am no friend of these maga types. I think people here are very angry about these people (edit like Fuentes… Rightfully so!, I am too.) and my comment is perhaps seen as “defending”? Him. I am not. I just don’t think this is the way to do it.
Again: I get what you’re saying. And again: I do nominally agree.
What I’m saying is that you’re looking at the trumpians/maga/proud boys/3%ers as “weird republicans”. They’re not. You need to be looking at them as NSDAP/Nazis/Sturmabteilung. Because that’s what they are. And the want to kill a whole fucking lot of us, because it gives them a hard-on.
Moreover, I’m not saying that we should be conducting overt, systemic political violence now, but I AM saying that we need to be fully prepared for that eventuality. And to that end, we should be looking to the Maquis, as well as the Polish + German resistance throughout WW2.
We are aligned on what they are.
I see resistance against their ways as clinging to, and calling for maintaining norms (when norms are ethical, reasonable… I fully acknowledge even without maga MUCH needs to be improved in America). It is my belief that by normalizing their tools, we institutionalize their methods. We, by participation, make common what should be extraordinary.
It is my opinion that resisting fascist drift is resisting. Others don’t see it this way and are claiming I’m an apologist or something. That’s too bad cause fuck nick Fuentes. I just don’t like doxxing.
the only way these idiots will support anti doxxing laws are if they are doxxed. Its how you build a consensus.
I mean just the other day some folks were talking about his catty posts about the twilight movies. Trump is in some way relatable because he most the faults of everyone I’ve ever met.