• MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.today
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    Europeans be like: “I’m just gonna take a half tablet, don’t want to get dependent on this stuff”

    Meanwhile, Americans:

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    Europeans: I’m taking a pill, if it keeps hurting I’m going to the doctor.

    Americans: I’m keeping taking this until I pay the house. It is still hurting, I can refinance the house to see a doctor.

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      Yes, it’s a thing. The idea behind it is that you don’t want to become dependent on the pills to the point that they have less effect or that you feel worse without them. Sincerely, a Dutch non-techno non-DJ.

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        Also often the pain is telling you that something is wrong - you wouldn’t treat a broken ankle with strong painkillers and continue walking as if nothing was wrong just because it doesn’t hurt anymore - would you?

        Painkillers should make the pain bearable so you can still listen to your body and not take away the pain completely

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        I have never heard of this in the context of ibuprofen. I know it’s bad on the stomach which means you shouldn’t take it for long periods of time (unless prescribed by a doctor). However, when the source of the pain disappears it’s pretty easy to kick the habit. Very different from opioids that are addictive beyond their painkilling ability.

        Also between European countries the price of otc painkillers differs tremendously, and my impression is that European pharmacies generally only sell small packages in an effort to maximise profits.

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        You can’t become dependent on ibuprofen, it’s not addictive. You shouldn’t be popping it like candy, but taking it when you are in pain is perfectly fine.

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      To be fair we also have it much easier with our healthcare that doesn’t know the concept of sick-days. When you’re sick you just don’t go to work and your healthcare pays half your salary while your employer continues paying the other half.

      So we can actually afford to stay home in bed and let our bodies do the work while we rest.

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      I’m Dutch and I only take paracetamol when I cannot sleep or function due to pain/illness. I’ve never taken something stronger like Ibuprofen in my life. When I’m ill I usually just lie in bed and wait for it to blow over

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        Is acetaminophen really considered to be less strong than ibuprofen? I’d always considered them to be equal with ibuprofen being safer.

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          In the Netherlands, yes. Ibuprofen is considered “stronger” or at least more serious. Most of that is because the general consensus seems to be to take 2 paracetamol (1000mg) and if it doesn’t help, add 400mg of ibuprofen on top.

          So, everyone sees it as “stronger” instead of complementary

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          Yep here in Dutchland many people think paracetamol is a safer version of aspirine. They don’t know paracetamol can get dangerous very quickly. Dutch hospitals often get patients into the ER with a possible paracetamol overdose.

          Here is the a toxicologist working in a Dutch hospital saying that https://youtu.be/P_Zt-xw7bME (has English subs)

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          In my Dutch social circle it is indeed, but don’t ask me why. Personally I dislike Ibuprofen, it always makes me feel queasy and upsets my stomach.

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        You’re the second person I’ve seen saying that ibuprofen is stronger than paracetamol. Where does that come from?

        It is slightly stronger, but the dose is smaller. A single dose of router either is roughy the same pain reduction, and similar damage for exceeding their recommended usage

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          UK National Health Service Website:

          FAQ: Can I take [X] for long periods?

          [paracetamol]

          It’s safe to take paracetamol regularly for many years as long as you do not take more than the recommended dose.

          [ibuprofen]

          If you still need ibuprofen after taking it for 10 days (or for 3 days if you’re under 18) check with your doctor before continuing. If you need to take ibuprofen tablets, capsules, granules or liquid for a long time and you’re at risk of getting a stomach ulcer, your doctor may prescribe a medicine to help protect your stomach.

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            It seems like you’ve mistaken what “strong” means.

            But I shouldn’t have said “long term”. The dangers of each are different.
            Ibuprofen is relatively safe to go a bit over the recommended dose, but not over the recommended duration.
            Paracetamol is relatively safe to go over the recommended duration, but not the recommended dose.

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        Yeah I just stick to hot railing fentanyl if I have a headache or something. Much less addictive.

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          Idk if you’re just saying this out of the blue or comparing what I’m saying to that.

          But NSAID’s like ibuprofen are quite strong and have lots of side effects. Regular usage can have quite some negative impacts on health. In comparison CBD oil is pretty gentle.

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      Yeah, in the UK they reduced the amount you can buy at once too, so drugs like paracetamol and ibuprofen only come in 16 tablet packs and you can only buy 2 packs at a shop., It’s helped lower suicides quite well.

      People here have a real aversion to taking tablets a lot of the time. I have to convince people to take regular paracetamol (which is non addictive and doesn’t have side effects so long as you don’t take more than the recommended amount) after they have had surgery semi-regularly.

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        Suicide by by paracetamol is such a fucking horrible way to go, mostly since it doesn’t kill you, it just completely destroys your liver.

        Just enough time to regret it, before you die slowly and in great pain

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      In the UK you’re limited to 32 pills of paracetamol(acetaminophen in NA) per purchase. Less if they’re high dose.

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        Yeah I got sick of buying the little packets and just ended up buying a bottle of 500 from the US. Pain in the fucking ass

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      I just don’t think it’s a good idea to take pills without asking a doctor, I’m not a medical professional

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    My girlfriend always makes fun that in Germany chamomile tea is the go to painkiller and only if that doesn’t help the pills come out. It was one of her strongest culture-shocks she didn’t anticipate before coming to Europe

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    I had a tooth surgically removed a few years back, took 90 min, and I got strong paracetamol and even a small pack of morphine.

    I never used the morphine, I keep it sealed at home if I need it.

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        Oh absolutely, that doesn’t mean it won’t work though, probably less effective though…

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          We kept my wife’s after she had our baby until one of my cousins casually asked if we still had it. We tossed it so quick and got worried someone might be addicted and would find it in our bathroom mirror thing.

          The smart thing might have been to stash it somewhere else to have it in case we end up in an natural disaster or something you always see the people in the movies going through houses finding useful meds. But we just got worried

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            With a reaction like that I suspect there was some other indicators as well.

            I know I have a bit of an addictive personality, I actively refuse gambling since I know I can get caught up in it.

            I did open the package up, I wanted to see the mythical pills, but I felt uncomfortable with the package being unsealed and wanted a bigger barrier to have to pass through if I wanted the pills. So I resealed the pack with tape and have had no issues since.

            As for right now, they are only for when I am in so much pain that I can’t do anything useful.

            None in my family has ever asked about it other than to check up on me when I first got it, I live alone so it is a valid concern.

            I got it back in 2020/2021 and it remains resealed and unused.

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    It’s always amusing how you can read Dutch with some difficulty by combining German and English.

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    I guess I’m Americaning wrong. As far as painkillers go, 've only taken one ibuprofen in the last year. I even had a severe gut pain event where they prescribed me some oxy but I never took anything.

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    Honestly I think the Americans have it right, here.

    You end up taking fewer painkillers of you start taking them early and get ahead of the pain. If you wait until the pain is already severe, you end up taking more.

    Idk why this happens, it’s info I got from a nurse, and intuitively it feels right.

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      It’s about the perceived drug use (namely ecstasy) within the electronic music scene. Amsterdam, because of its ports and proximity to western Europe, became a hub for typically higher quality drugs.

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    The only place I’ve ever seen that huge Kirkland bottle is in a workplace. I don’t even have pain killers in my house right now…also American.