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Man, fuck that judge!
(Read it once as an expression of derision, then again as literal advice.)
“if you wanna get in you have to prove to me you’re gay 😉😘”
-that judge
I’m not saying he should have to, but is there a reason he can’t just submit, “video evidence”
Was there ever a hetero person seeking asylum that had to give their sex tape to a shitty official?
I mean probably yeah.
I don’t think heterosexuals are persecuted anywhere, that’s not a valid equivalence. Not that I find the idea of making porn to prove your sexual orientation morally fine.
Hence the “I’m not saying he should have to”. To clarify, I’m asking if there’s some rule or law of evidence that prevents someone doing that.
Yeah, the basic laws for privacy.
“You don’t look like you’re enjoying it enough”
I don’t know anything about situation but damn they really found the umm most flamboyants pictures of him.
The question is whether this is all there is.
He originally applied for a student visa. If a judge takes this at face value and is approved, every asylum seeker will take a picture with rainbows to get approved. The judge did comment on posturing and I think is just asking “have you ever been in a same sex relationship?”. It could be that there is zero evidence of a relationship.
Being gay isn’t wearing rainbows, it’s being attracted to someone of the same sex.
Asylum cases are a little more challenging and do need more proof than other situations.
He’s worked for an lgbtqia+ charity for asylum seekers. At this point, I don’t care if he is gay, he deserves to be accepted on merit.
If that is true, every asylum seeker would volunteer for an LGBTQIA+ charity. If it’s abused it could undermine the cases of gay people genuinely needing refuge as conversation goes from safety, to loophole.
“A major part of this involves giving oral testimony to a Home Office official. Inspectors in 2013 found that one in 10 interviewers would ask LGBTQ+ asylum seekers ‘intrusive questions’ such as: ‘Did you put your penis into X’s backside?’ and ‘Did X ejaculate inside you?’“
Bruh imagine getting deported for being a Virgin, you don’t carry enough homosexual proof like wtf, like what are you even saying ? He should be gayer? Like wtf, he should be promiscuous would that “validate” him?
imagine getting deported for being a Virgin,
That, as well as aro/ace being a thing, but also - imagine living someplace where being in the relationship you want to be in is not only illegal but potentially punishable by death, so you don’t risk it, or if you do, definitely don’t document it, and when you finally escape somewhere you think is safe, they tell you you don’t deserve protection because you have no proof of past relationships.
And don’t even start on the fact that much of the rampant homophobia around the world was institutionalised there by the same nations now looking for any way to turn those trying to desperately escape it, away.
Colonise the world, pillage and hoard all of the wealth and resources, then pull up the ladder and kick off anyone trying to escape the pit you put them in and whine about how they’re the ones trying to take over. It’s obscene.
That, as well as aro/ace being a thing
If you’re aro /ace why exactly are you claiming asylum based on sexuality
Because gay aro/ace people exist, jfc (not to mention that a. being aro/ace doesn’t mean you never have any sex or relationship, but more importantly b. whatever orientation, aro/ace people are still marginalised and violently oppressed all over the world, just like the rest of the LGBTQIA+ community. It’s why it fucking include us)
Ooof. That is a brutal line of questioning.
Home Office never had a good reputation with this sort of stuff. I think they were pretty thorough on visa through marriage as well due to there being many fake marriages they had to fish through.
"this guy’s got no street cred, fake and straight. "
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Do you think gay people have to have sex to be discriminated against?
I think that gay people have to have had a relationship, either sexual or emotional to legitimately claim asylum for their sexuality.
That’s not what I asked. Do you think gay people have to have sex to be discriminated against?
Follow up question, do you think it’s possible for Asexual people to be discriminated against based on sexuality?
Second follow up question: Have you considered the possibility that people who have gay sex in countries where it is illegal are unlikely to keep evidence around that could be used against them, and that outing a partner who’s still in such a country could place that partner in mortal danger? Have you considered the possibility that the discrimination they face is the very reason that someone might avoid being in a relationship?
This person has been in the UK for 15 years.
I’d say a minority of homophobes have witnessed gay sex.
I didn’t call him a homophobe.
My point was more that homophobes will abuse gay people whether they’ve seen them have sex or not, so it’s not really relevant whether they have had sex to begin with.
If you come from a country where homosexuals have to fear for their life, taking and publishing pictures like that puts you in mortal danger if your asylum claim is denied.
I’d say after providing these photos, it almost doesn’t matter whether you’re really gay.That’s what I was thinking. If it’s dangerous to send back someone who is gay, then it is dangerous to send back someone who is very publicly perceived to be gay. In some ways, the publicity from this case has made his case stronger.
So all it takes to get asylum in the country is to take a picture with a rainbow top on yeah?
As you can plainly see by this article, no.
I’m not saying that’s the case, I’m asking what their opinion on asylum laws should be
They asked him to recite the lyrics to Believe and he only remembered two verses.
I mean… The judge is probably right, knowing these people 😂
Gay people? Yeah, they’re all pretending. Gobbling dicks just to own the libs.
A lot of these “asylum seekers” are actually just trying to game the system. Doesn’t help that you need a £40k job to work in the UK, but still
Instead of repeating the enormous gas bag that is Nigel Garage, perhaps you would actually like to provide some evidence that that is the case.
Given that there are asylum seekers who pretend to convert to another religion to try and get asylum, is it really that much a stretch to suggest that some others will try to game the system in another way?
I know this is Lemmy and we’re all supposed to pretend that every asylum seeker is a good and honest person, but that’s not how reality works.
Sure people will try and game the system, does that mean everybody is and we should fuck then all over?
Based on this thread can I make the connection that everybody here is a fucking idiot, or do I just assume you and the other dude are the idiots here because that’s all we have evidence of.
My fellow brits are known for being beer louts around Europe, does that mean all of Britain is that way? Of course it doesn’t.
Your justification for your hard right extremist attitude notwithstanding I noticed you have not actually provided evidence. I find this highly suspicious of your personal belief system. Your personal belief system being one that has a tendency to make people pariah’s without much in the way of logic or discourse.
So I again ask for you to provide some evidence.
I interestingly note that since you weren’t the person who originally made the comment you have waded into this argument with an uninformed and quite frankly abhorrent opinion without any defense.
Do you remember that guy who committed an acid attack in London and then killed himself? He faked a conversion to Christianity so he could get asylum.
Do you remember the Liverpool Women’s Hospital bomber a while ago? He also faked a conversion to Christianity so he could be granted asylum.
Both of these were refused asylum before. Why do you think they suddenly found a love of Jesus?
Right and what about all of the terrorist attacks that were committed by British nationals?
Most asylum seekers aren’t accepted based on their sexuality, so over half lie about it
This is just a circle. “The judge is probably right, because he’s probably right”. Using this case as evidence that this case is something that happens frequently, inspite of the judge not using evidence, but his gut. Evidence he was faking would be a video of him kissing a woman at a football game. Not, he hasn’t documented his gayness enough, but also he has to show shame over it at the same time. Too much shame? Somehow evidence he’s not gay, like in this case. To little shame? According to this article it is used to prove they aren’t because real gay people need shame. The evidence is never “hey look, he’s having sex with women, and refusing all these perfectly good men”.
he should shag the judge, that would be proof
Do people in your family actually have positive feelings about you or are they kind of embarrassed every time you walk in the room?
The judge already fucked him, and he didn’t like it. That’s the missing evidence, guys! Case closed!
“knowing these people”? The fuck does that mean? Is this racist or homophobic? I literally can’t tell.
There are illegal immigrants who try anything to take advantage of the system. It’s not racist or homophobic. There are plenty of good people from these countries as well who want to play by the rules, who get discredited by clowns like this.
You might want to check the mirror for clown makeup yourself.
