• MataVatnik@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Houthis have been getting bombed of more than four years now by United States and Saudi Arabia. Israel ain’t gonna do shit.

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          I’m really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they’re fighting Israel.

          Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they’re both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.

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            It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they’re probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.

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              slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes

              So it’s the eye contact that you object to?

              Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.

              I’m not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.

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                4 months ago

                No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you’re supporting that strategy). Not Israel’s fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.

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                  Hamas has the power to stop

                  The power to stop Israel? The FUCK they do!

                  All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages

                  Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they’ll not accept any deal that doesn’t let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.

                  Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.

                  After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity.

                  As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to “eliminate Hamas” and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.

                  It that’s not enough for you to admit that it’s a genocide, nothing will be.

                  Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves

                  Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!

                  Your double standards are showing.

                  The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy

                  No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real “enemy” the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.

                  and you’re supporting that strategy

                  Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn’t mean that I’m pro-Hamas.

                  Whether Hamas is “trying to” make it so or not, it takes someone who’s either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.

                  Not Israel’s fault.

                  That’s the biggest lie you’ve told yet, which is saying a shitload.

                  Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.

                  So what you’re saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it’s not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.

                  Be better. Or at the very least less credulous.

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                    4 months ago

                    Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!

                    Non-biased citation (aljazeera and friends don’t count) please.

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                Gonna be honest: Yes. You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop. They went out to murder children, looked children who were cowering in the eyes, and murdered them in cold blood. Then they went back, put their own children near their weapon stores, hid among their children, and begged third parties to keep them from getting punished for murdering children. Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back, I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them.

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                  You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop

                  Both are, but the occupation forces on a much larger scale.

                  looked children who were cowering in the eyes

                  Man, you REALLY seem to hate eye contact…

                  put their own children near their weapon stores

                  That’s Hasbara bullshit. It’s just what the IDF claims when they target schools and want to pretend that it’s somehow justified.

                  Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back

                  Pretty sure Netanyahu has been safe in his palace this whole time

                  I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them

                  You know that the Israeli military prisons are full of tens of thousands of innocent civilians arrested, tortured, and raped by the IDF for just being at the wrong place (which is often their own home) at the wrong time, right?

                  Of course you don’t. Because the IDF never lie and every human rights group is Hamas 🙄

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                    Imagine thinking terrorists are honest people. I can’t even. You clearly aren’t really concerned about the lives of civilians, but rather for ‘the cause’ and that is why you get no sympathy.

                    Until the threat of Hamas terrorism is over Israel is going to continue hunting them. Period. Their disgusting reliance on civilian shields isn’t going to work and your cries of ‘unfair plane’ are useless. If you actually really DO want to spare civilian lives. Condemn Hamas’s cowardice and call for them to surrender (or at least stop using human shields) and release the hostages. Otherwise you risk Gaza turning into a parking lot and Israel looking West. At that point pitifully whimpering ‘but but the history of animosity says we were in the right’ will be poor consolation for many, many reasons.

                    Enough is enough, Israel has had it, and I don’t blame them one bit.