I’m really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they’re fighting Israel.
Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they’re both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.
It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they’re probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.
slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes
So it’s the eye contact that you object to?
Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.
I’m not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.
No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you’re supporting that strategy). Not Israel’s fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages
Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they’ll not accept any deal that doesn’t let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.
Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.
After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity.
As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to “eliminate Hamas” and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.
It that’s not enough for you to admit that it’s a genocide, nothing will be.
Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Your double standards are showing.
The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy
No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real “enemy” the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.
and you’re supporting that strategy
Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn’t mean that I’m pro-Hamas.
Whether Hamas is “trying to” make it so or not, it takes someone who’s either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.
Not Israel’s fault.
That’s the biggest lie you’ve told yet, which is saying a shitload.
Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
So what you’re saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it’s not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Non-biased citation (aljazeera and friends don’t count) please.
Ah, best you can do is a few reports where prosecution of those involved is inadequate, but at least existent. So it isn’t policy of Israeli forces, just a few bad apples? Gotchya ;)
Gonna be honest: Yes. You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop. They went out to murder children, looked children who were cowering in the eyes, and murdered them in cold blood. Then they went back, put their own children near their weapon stores, hid among their children, and begged third parties to keep them from getting punished for murdering children. Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back, I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them.
You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop
Both are, but the occupation forces on a much larger scale.
looked children who were cowering in the eyes
Man, you REALLY seem to hate eye contact…
put their own children near their weapon stores
That’s Hasbara bullshit. It’s just what the IDF claims when they target schools and want to pretend that it’s somehow justified.
Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back
Pretty sure Netanyahu has been safe in his palace this whole time
I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them
You know that the Israeli military prisons are full of tens of thousands of innocent civilians arrested, tortured, and raped by the IDF for just being at the wrong place (which is often their own home) at the wrong time, right?
Of course you don’t. Because the IDF never lie and every human rights group is Hamas 🙄
Imagine thinking terrorists are honest people. I can’t even. You clearly aren’t really concerned about the lives of civilians, but rather for ‘the cause’ and that is why you get no sympathy.
Until the threat of Hamas terrorism is over Israel is going to continue hunting them. Period. Their disgusting reliance on civilian shields isn’t going to work and your cries of ‘unfair plane’ are useless. If you actually really DO want to spare civilian lives. Condemn Hamas’s cowardice and call for them to surrender (or at least stop using human shields) and release the hostages. Otherwise you risk Gaza turning into a parking lot and Israel looking West. At that point pitifully whimpering ‘but but the history of animosity says we were in the right’ will be poor consolation for many, many reasons.
Enough is enough, Israel has had it, and I don’t blame them one bit.
Can’t even what? Discuss in good faith? Seems like it.
You clearly aren’t really concerned about the lives of civilians, but rather for ‘the cause’ and that is why you get no sympathy.
Wow, the projection is strong with this genocide enthusiast…
Until the threat of Hamas terrorism is over Israel is going to continue hunting them.
That’s not how terrorist groups work. The more innocent civilians Israel murder, torture and rape, the easier time Hamas has radicalizing people.
As such, fighting terrorism with genocide is one of the most counterproductive things you can possibly do.
The Israeli government knows this. They’re not gullible idiots like you, they’re war criminals making up excuses for their war crimes.
Their disgusting reliance on civilian shields
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make it acceptable to slaughter Israeli civilians? Of course not.
your cries of ‘unfair plane’ are useless
Wtf are you blathering about?
Condemn Hamas’s cowardice
I do condemn Hamas and their terrorism. Unequivocally. That doesn’t mean I can’t condemn the genocide as well. Especially since the genocide is strengthening Hamas (see above).
Not sure what you mean about cowardice, though. Is bombing civilians from a safe distance somehow braver than murdering them in person according to your twisted Zionist logic??
call for them to surrender
Wouldn’t accomplish anything. Hamas or no Hamas, Israel will keep massacring the civilian population of Gaza untimely the West stops them or at the very least stops supplying the weapons and political cover.
or at least stop using human shields
Again, they definitely should. So should the IDF.
and release the hostages
Netanyahu keeps vowing to keep fighting after all the hostages are released. He won’t sign a cease fire deal that doesn’t let him do that.
But yeah, I agree that all the hostages should be released. Both the hundred or so that Hamas still has and the tens of thousands of innocent civilians Israel have kidnapped from Gaza and the West Bank.
Otherwise you risk Gaza turning into a parking lot
Nice use of the passive voice, as if it wouldn’t be a deliberate act that the Israeli apartheid regime would have to CHOOSE to commit.
Israel looking West
What do you mean?
At that point
Which can only happen if the Israeli government chooses so.
Israel has had it, and I don’t blame them one bit.
Way to expose yourself as a willfully blind apologist of what is internationally recognized as a genocidal apartheid regime.
Behold ‘heroism’ in all its glory!
I’m really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they’re fighting Israel.
Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they’re both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.
It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they’re probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.
So it’s the eye contact that you object to?
Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.
I’m not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.
No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you’re supporting that strategy). Not Israel’s fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
The power to stop Israel? The FUCK they do!
Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they’ll not accept any deal that doesn’t let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.
Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.
As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to “eliminate Hamas” and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.
It that’s not enough for you to admit that it’s a genocide, nothing will be.
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Your double standards are showing.
No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real “enemy” the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.
Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn’t mean that I’m pro-Hamas.
Whether Hamas is “trying to” make it so or not, it takes someone who’s either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.
That’s the biggest lie you’ve told yet, which is saying a shitload.
So what you’re saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it’s not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.
Be better. Or at the very least less credulous.
Non-biased citation (aljazeera and friends don’t count) please.
Haaretz good enough for you?
Reuters?
Human Rights Watch?
Amnesty International?
Ah, best you can do is a few reports where prosecution of those involved is inadequate, but at least existent. So it isn’t policy of Israeli forces, just a few bad apples? Gotchya ;)
So you’re saying there are good mass child murderers and bad mass child murderers?
Gonna be honest: Yes. You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop. They went out to murder children, looked children who were cowering in the eyes, and murdered them in cold blood. Then they went back, put their own children near their weapon stores, hid among their children, and begged third parties to keep them from getting punished for murdering children. Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back, I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them.
Both are, but the occupation forces on a much larger scale.
Man, you REALLY seem to hate eye contact…
That’s Hasbara bullshit. It’s just what the IDF claims when they target schools and want to pretend that it’s somehow justified.
Pretty sure Netanyahu has been safe in his palace this whole time
You know that the Israeli military prisons are full of tens of thousands of innocent civilians arrested, tortured, and raped by the IDF for just being at the wrong place (which is often their own home) at the wrong time, right?
Of course you don’t. Because the IDF never lie and every human rights group is Hamas 🙄
Imagine thinking terrorists are honest people. I can’t even. You clearly aren’t really concerned about the lives of civilians, but rather for ‘the cause’ and that is why you get no sympathy.
Until the threat of Hamas terrorism is over Israel is going to continue hunting them. Period. Their disgusting reliance on civilian shields isn’t going to work and your cries of ‘unfair plane’ are useless. If you actually really DO want to spare civilian lives. Condemn Hamas’s cowardice and call for them to surrender (or at least stop using human shields) and release the hostages. Otherwise you risk Gaza turning into a parking lot and Israel looking West. At that point pitifully whimpering ‘but but the history of animosity says we were in the right’ will be poor consolation for many, many reasons.
Enough is enough, Israel has had it, and I don’t blame them one bit.
Never said that.
Can’t even what? Discuss in good faith? Seems like it.
Wow, the projection is strong with this genocide enthusiast…
That’s not how terrorist groups work. The more innocent civilians Israel murder, torture and rape, the easier time Hamas has radicalizing people.
As such, fighting terrorism with genocide is one of the most counterproductive things you can possibly do.
The Israeli government knows this. They’re not gullible idiots like you, they’re war criminals making up excuses for their war crimes.
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make it acceptable to slaughter Israeli civilians? Of course not.
Wtf are you blathering about?
I do condemn Hamas and their terrorism. Unequivocally. That doesn’t mean I can’t condemn the genocide as well. Especially since the genocide is strengthening Hamas (see above).
Not sure what you mean about cowardice, though. Is bombing civilians from a safe distance somehow braver than murdering them in person according to your twisted Zionist logic??
Wouldn’t accomplish anything. Hamas or no Hamas, Israel will keep massacring the civilian population of Gaza untimely the West stops them or at the very least stops supplying the weapons and political cover.
Again, they definitely should. So should the IDF.
Netanyahu keeps vowing to keep fighting after all the hostages are released. He won’t sign a cease fire deal that doesn’t let him do that.
But yeah, I agree that all the hostages should be released. Both the hundred or so that Hamas still has and the tens of thousands of innocent civilians Israel have kidnapped from Gaza and the West Bank.
Nice use of the passive voice, as if it wouldn’t be a deliberate act that the Israeli apartheid regime would have to CHOOSE to commit.
What do you mean?
Which can only happen if the Israeli government chooses so.
Way to expose yourself as a willfully blind apologist of what is internationally recognized as a genocidal apartheid regime.
I think your confusing north and south korea
Except that has nothing to do with their heroic fight against the US navy and Israel.