Thanks for the 4 years tuition though!
I could see them barring them from walking for their degree, but to hold it completely is messed up. Bullshit that ‘the corporation’ overruled the faculty vote.
And that’s why nobody should ever go to a fot-profit school.
The fun thing is that people say “I graduated” or “I’m graduating” but it’s technically more correct to say “I am being graduated (by the university).” I might be mixing it up a bit, but the idea is that the university always has the final say over whether or not you get that important piece of paper at the end.
One of my teachers in high school taught us this, but I never actually thought I’d see it in action. It’s cruel.
Which is bullshit. If you got the grades and paid your tuition, a university should not be able to withhold your degree. They can ban you from the graduation ceremony, but that’s it.
It is crazy that a university hold such power over someone.
Harvard doesn’t give grades. You either pass, fail, or pass with honors, more or less entirely at the whim of your professors.
It’s much more of a social club than a school, and being denied a degree is more akin to having your country club membership revoked than your credentials refuted.
It’s almost pro-forma, as the real benefit of attending Harvard is rubbing shoulders with the children of billionaires. The goal is to find someone willing to become your financial patron, not to hold a piece of paper confirming that you did all your homework.
If these kids are on the outs with the school board, they’ve already been blacklisted by anyone that matters.
Headline is misleading. The article notes that they arent necessarily withholding them permanently, but because they are going through the disciplinary process, and so currently not in good standing, they can’t get them at graduation.
Fucking pathetic
This is what happens at Harvard when you try to do good. Look at their alumni. Filled with IRL super villains.
Super villains and comedians. Sometimes combinations of both, as in the case of BJ Novak.
BJ Novak is a supervillain…?
Nah, just being silly lol.
The REAL Harvard educated comedian who’s also a super villain is Conan O’Brien, of course 😉
Vile. I hope those students sue those bigoted, genocidal pigs into the dirt.
Ah, technically no grounds for lawsuit. Protesting on the institution’s private property was against their code of conduct. Hopefully people start withdrawing support for Harvard, leading to declining business.
Lol bullshit. This board decision is literally unprecedented. Even in the face of previous student protests. It’s a complete rug pull after a massive time and financial investment. I can’t remember the name right now but that’s 100 percent actionable in US courts.
Outrageous.
I can just see an alumni from another institution waiving their fees just to go after Harvard for this “decision”.
If a dropout from Harvard starts a company doing literally anything then I would like to invest, please.
Dude. You just said you wanted to invest in Facebook 😬
Even now doing so would still be profitable.
Yeah, but you’d be profiting from a platform that has repeatedly enabled genocide and other human rights violations, election fraud and the like. And Zuckerberg shows no sign of ever letting them stop as long as it continues to drive engagement and therefore be profitable.
Do you really want that blood money?
If you’re basing your financial decisions on moral standings there’s going to be a lot of companies you can’t invest with. I’d argue that in order to be successful you have to unfortunately invest with unsavory people and companies.
Some of the most profitable companies in the world will be Banks that hid Nazi gold, companies who underpay their workforces, and manufacturers who use child labor in China.
Obviously I wouldn’t invest with them, but I also don’t have any money to invest. You find me a morally aware investment banker, should be a fun search.
If you’re basing your financial decisions on moral standings there’s going to be a lot of companies you can’t invest with
Obviously.
I’d argue that in order to be successful you have to unfortunately invest with unsavory people and companies
Whereas I’d argue that that’s a poor excuse for knowingly profiting off of suffering.
Some of the most profitable companies in the world will be Banks that hid Nazi gold, companies who underpay their workforces, and manufacturers who use child labor in China.
Which is why people who value ethics higher than wealth hoarding try to not do business with those companies when it’s avoidable.
You find me a morally aware investment banker, should be a fun search.
By definition impossible since stock trading is inherently immoral as it’s a fake wealth casino for the rich with (usually negative) real world consequences for everyone else.
Profitable for your broker
That is hilarious. “I got an MBA from Harvard but totally believe I can get a 500-1000% return on my investment”
I mean, over a career, that’s practically trivial. The $300-500k you pay in tuition can quickly be recouped when your starting salary is in the $200-400k range and only goes up from there. You’ll be doing far better as a Harvard grad than a trade school apprentice. And if you’re an aspiring SCOTUS judge or Fortune 500 CEO, there’s few places that offer you better prospects. After that, the sky’s the limit. 1000% ROI is conservative.
But just getting into Harvard requires a certain exceptional resume and social standing. Bush getting into Yale and Kennedy getting into Harvard are less the exception than the rule. The MBA is just the way you signal to people not immediately familiar with you that you’re “in the club”.
But if you run off and spit in the face of American Imperialism, clearly someone at the Harvard admissions board made a mistake.
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That is Islamaphobic.
I don’t even think you have to go that far. You paid money, you earned grades, you graduate. It’s almost like a contract?
Islamophobic discrimination, breach of contract and just generally being a bunch of reactionary Zionists who learned the wrong lessons from dystopian sci-fi are far from mutually exclusive, you know…
High time people use this word
I remember that word
So they aren’t being given their first amendment rights… Oh boy I can’t wait to see how this plays out at other companies.
Harvard isn’t a government funded organization, so the first amendment doesn’t apply. Hopefully the students find a way to sue based on the college’s own rules though.
Well, technically, they do receive some government funding but the terms of the funds being allotted don’t include adherence to the first amendment. It’s not an entity controlled by state or federal government directly.
Then all gov’t funding should stop immediately.
If a business doesn’t want to follow the Constitution, it gets zero tax dollars.
Btw as a Canadian I’m amazed that private businesses have this option at all. It makes no logical sense.
Businesses “follow the constitution” here. The nuance is that the first amendment (freedom of speech) explicitly only applies to consequences from government. As a private corporation, the people running Harvard have the right to their own speech, in this case: a policy denying graduation, without consequence from the government.
I in no way endorse the speech that Harvard is expressing, but I do have the right to impose my own consequences on them for it (I.E not supporting things they do financially, disparaging them in an online forum like Lemmy, etc). The constitution prevents the US government from punishing Harvard for these actions in the same ways, unless a law has explicitly been broken.
McCarthyism is well alive.
Nah, To many republicans sucking Russian Dick for McCarthyism to be doing anything but spinning furiously in its grave.
Harvard must not be what it used to be, a little strategy would have told them to keep up their efforts but lay low until they get the degree. Don’t worry, this conflict will be around long enough for your kids to act like maniacs with you. Sticks and stones may break my bones but idgaf about your down votes!
Your comment history is cancer. Easiest block ever.
Run and hide baby
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Congratulations on knowing civil law, fuck you for not having basic human decency though.
It’s so funny the responses to this, it’s basically ‘rules shouldn’t exist for people who agree with me politically’
They chose civil disobedience as a moral stand, they chose consequences - that’s how it works.
Except college isn’t a free service in the US. They paid for that degree and jumped through every hoop laid out. Now at the end, after spending 200,000 Dollars for that degree the school thinks they have a right to withhold it?
I’d sue for that tuition back at the very least. The board just denying you the diploma is entirely capricious.
