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    Considering t-rump’s support would be non-existent or borderline condemning the LGBTQ+ community, I’ll take anything Biden says in support as a win.

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    And what have you done, Joe?

    Not much.

    In many ways, it’s as bad for lgbtq+ people as it was in the 90s, especially trans kids. Suicide rates are sky high for these folks, and the bigotry is everywhere. It’s disgusting.

    And you’re silent.

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      (this reads like a rant but it’s a message of remembrance and reflection)

      Rose-colored glasses? I remember my realization in the 90s and being in the closet for the entire 00s. Me and other queer peers were terrified of our own family, openly being mocked in school by students and faculty, I have friends that have attempted suicide more times than I have fingers per person. You should not know the ER staff on a first-name basis. Friends who didn’t reveal they were trans until they were in their 30s and separated from anyone but their closest, most trusted friends. Friends who still, after years of therapy, are still suffering from depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. And this spreads wide with the people I grew up with. It’d actually genuinely be difficult to think of someone in my extended social circle that didn’t have the view that school was literal hell because of the constant belittling, insulting, second-class treatment from everyone from the students to the principal (I can think of literally just one individual). We had at least one person I know of who viewed the Columbine shooters as someone they looked up to, because of how badly they were treated at a place where you are supposed to be safe.

      It’s not all rainbows and unicorns now, but it’s a stark contrast to what it was 20+ years ago. Children shouldn’t have to wonder if they are going to be stabbed or shot or beaten by so-called ‘adults’ and ‘caregivers’ for who they like. They shouldn’t be scared of being put out on the fucking street for taking their partner to prom. They shouldn’t have to create a second life of lies and then mirror that data around so if anyone questions anyone in the friend circle, the stories match up.

      A child/teenager should be happy and joyous, not like a fucking prison sentence. 20 years ago, it was. I lived that hell, many of us did. Abuse everywhere you turned, even if you were still in the closet (to everyone but us). People were absolute terrible bastards, but the victims are changing that, because we are the people those fucks who call themselves adults should have been. Everyone I’ve spoken about is in a better place now - scarred physically, suffering from mental trauma, often still questioning why they don’t make today their last, every single day. But we are still here, we have always supported each other, and we want this hellhole to never be experienced by others ever again. A tall order, but we are trying.

      I’m sure there’s thousands, shit, millions of others just like us. We are the shy, timid ones, boiling in our memories of bullshit, our permanent rage. Suffering one last time in the hopes that others don’t have to. Out in the world, some of us just want peace and quiet, to be left alone and forgotten, as their defense. Some carry weapons, due to their location and popular opinion against them. Some relocated to more accepting parts of the world, many right out of high school. But we all want all of us to live safer, happier, better lives. Together, we make progress, bit by bit.

      My siblings and their friends, I hear them talk about things now and then. A few years makes a huge difference in tolerance - two decades might as well be completely different planets.

      Just don’t pretend or romanticize years past, is all I’m saying. Progress is forward, not backward.

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        I’m not the one pretending here. No progress has been made during this administration.

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          My brother in christ it takes literally one Google search to see how utter bullshit this take is.

          https://www.hrc.org/resources/president-bidens-pro-lgbtq-timeline

          One that struck me is how Biden handled monkeypox. Under Trump, monkeypox would have been a “gay disease” that would have not been taken seriously at all. The Biden administration took it seriously and now I’ve completely forgotten it was a thing.

          Go take your lunch break Dimitri.

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            his pro gay “history” only goes back 2.5 years. lol

            while his any-gay history goes back 40+ years

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              Aww man, wish I caught that. Why didn’t the Biden administration help the LGBT community 40 years ago!? He really wasn’t a great president in 1984. /S

              Look, his recent record shows the kind of administration he’s running, and what we could expect in the next 4 years. You may remember he (and Obama) said he believed marriage was between a man and a woman during the 2008 debates. Then, you may remember under the same administration, Gay marriage was federally legalized. It’s not like he’s going to go back to his pre-2008 stance in November.

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                Aww man, wish I caught that. Why didn’t the Biden administration help the LGBT community 40 years ago!? He really wasn’t a great president in 1984. /S

                there were plenty of pro-gay politicians in 1984 and biden’s track record of actively making it worse is a 30 second google search away.

                … You may remember he (and Obama) said he believed marriage was between a man and a woman during the 2008 debates. Then, you may remember under the same administration, Gay marriage was federally legalized…

                gay marriage was made legal through the courts so it became legalized in spite of that administration; not because of it.

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      Over 300 anti LGBTQ laws passed by republicans and Dems haven’t done shit to counter them. Hollow, meaningless rhetoric doesn’t save lives.

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      Look, I want to stop killing innocent civilians in Palestine too, but it doesn’t mean we need to forget everything else, especially marginalized people here in the US.

      Many of us can think about more than one thing at a time.

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        Lol fuck yeah let’s give him another reason to ignore children being murdered indescriminately from the skies. They can wait a month while Biden hides behind our rainbow flag.

        I’m sick of the “we can do multiple things at once” rhetoric when so often we prove no, we fucking can’t. We forget the last TikTok we just watched but yeah, don’t worry Palestine we just need a month.

        Im not exactly excited to watch a man with no red line in sight hide behind the one on our flag.

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          Eh whatever then. You just gonna be mad then and there’s no point discussing it online for you anymore.

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            Yeah I have hard time feigning indifference to genocide so we can shove rainbow themed capitalism down everyone’s throats, sorry man.

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              No apologies needed. You don’t mean it anyways. You’re just pretending anyone not actively engaged in your focus is against it. It’s a gaslighting tactic.

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                Lol people still not knowing what the fuck gaslighting means. My original comment was that Biden would use this to distract from the shit everyone is mad at and you proved my point by letting him use the rainbow flag as a convenient distraction to hide from his fuck ups.

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              I mean, you’ve only mentioned Palestine. You’re being indifferent to Russia’s attempted genocide of Ukraine, the genocide in Darfur, and the Uighur Genocide.

              Are you truly indifferent to them? Or are they just among the global issues you’re worried about?

              If you can only focus on one thing at once, how are you deciding on which genocide to focus on?

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                Yeah it’s almost like my original comment was about how Biden was going to use pride month to hide from bad PR and he’s not getting bad PR from helping Ukraine is he? I know it’s hard to focus on the entire conversation, you keep getting distracted by the most recent post. Hence my point.

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          Another person who is perfectly willing to throw LGBT people under the bus. We see you for what you are stop pretending moral superiority.

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          The funny thing is this is not a new situation this has been happening continuously over all our lifespans not only in Palestine. And now it’s not even done directly by the US military which has been the case the last decades. Activism on all fronts always has to be the way to go.

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        Crazy to watch people more desperate for an empty month of rainbow themed trinkets being sold to them over more important shit but hey, you’re definitely the sane one.

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          Yeah, let’s just do away with LGBT pride, we clearly lost the oppression games and therefore have nothing to be proud of!

          God, I wish I was so fucking ignorant.

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            Yet other American weapons continue to move through the approval process unabated. That includes a potential $1 billion tranche containing tank ammunition, tactical vehicles and mortar rounds that the administration reported to Congress on Tuesday. Biden also made clear the U.S. will continue to provide defensive weapons, including interceptors for its Iron Dome air defense system.

            :-/

            Also

            Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.

            This is absolutely untrue. As Israel is in violation of international law, they are no longer eligible to receive foreign aid. The US response to the ICJ’s findings has been to condemn the court and threaten its members. That’s about as legal as Trump threatening the members of the SDNY over his hush money prosecution.

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              Misinformation or uneducated. Which one is it? I love how you compare Trump, because it gave away that you’re either a boogaloo, a tankie, or just a dumb accelerationist.

              There are no universal rules or binding international laws that automatically make a country ineligible for foreign aid if it is found to be in violation of international laws.

              Biden tried to stop giving them weapons, but got shut down by congress.

              Republican lawmakers, along with some Democrats, have introduced legislation aimed at restricting Biden’s ability to withhold military aid. This legislation states that no federal funds may be used to halt or reverse the delivery of defense articles or services to Israel. The proposed legislation would also require certifications to Congress from the Secretaries of State and Defense to ensure that any withheld defense items are delivered to Israel. This measure reflects bipartisan support in Congress for maintaining robust military assistance to Israel despite the administration’s efforts to impose some restrictions

              What you’re doing is spreading misinformation in an attempt to prevent Biden from winning the election, allowing Trump to win the election, and sending the United States into the toilet. All because because you are either brainwashed or being paid. You tell me…

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                Biden tried to stop giving them weapons

                He threatened to, but he did not.

                What you’re doing is spreading misinformation

                Biden continuing to supply weapons to Israel in defiance of the ICJ ruling is indisputable.

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                  “Biden” doesn’t have a choice. If you knew US foreign policy, you’d know that.

                  He didn’t just threaten, it got shot down in congress.

                  You—like many Americans—seem to have this idea that the president is all-powerful. There are checks and balances for a reason. Unfortunately, good policies can also get shot down without enough support.

                  But by all means, continue to spread misinformation. 🤷‍♂️

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      The US government supports the actions of Israel, and that isn’t going to change until the government changes - and I don’t mean a republican president, I mean the entire government.

      I don’t think Pride Month is going to slow down revolution in the USA. If anything, solidarity with LGBTQ+ working class people will make it happen faster.

      Let’s not pretend like the US government needs any distractions to continue enabling a genocide.