I had an HP Zbook Workstation. With TPM1.x Initially said get ready for W11, then months later meeage: this model fails TPM 2.0 requirement, CPU OK. I used HP firmware tool to upgrade from TPM 1.x to TPM2.0. A recheck with W11 a few months later: TPM OK, CPU no good. Last month the message about the system not being upgradeable to W11 disappeared and replaced with a link: to learn more about W11.
Wtf. Do they even know what system requirements they need?
Sadly, Microsoft doesn’t need to do anything to have you to upgrade to Windows 11: you just need to buy a new device in the mainstream market. Aside from building your rig from scratch, of course.
SteamDeck is a good example: Microsoft didn’t do nothing to promote the handheld PC gaming industry, even if Valve shown that their free and licenseless OS proved to be the best one… most OEM deliver Window’s only PC handheld, because they are afraid to lose the market segment of those who pirate PC games.
install as normal, install on the c: drive (only thing to note is if the game is using stuff like .net or vc runtimes then don’t install them and just remember which ones you will need)
If runtimes are needed: run “winetricks” to add those, if you want to install patches: use “run exe inside wine prefix” (both are in the menu next to the Windows-logo Button)
Play Game
Heroic Launcher’s installation is a bit more streamlined, but i found Lutris can do more stuff - i don’t know if i would have managed to mod my (owned) Battletech installation (BTA3062) so easily with Heroic. (involved setting a bunch of Envvars and dll overrides)
Rumour is it’s literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There’s literally no technical reasons for it.
it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.
there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.
basically, the same bullshit line that’s used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.
“it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.
“it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.
“for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.
it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.
Windows has been requiring hardware manufactures to include TPM 2.0 support since July 2016 , and Windows 11 was released in October 2021. The truth is Microsoft did everything they could to wait for people to get their hands on new hardware (5 years). Data shows that 83% of businesses were victims of firmware attacks, which is exactly what TPM helps with. Like it or not Microsoft’s primary customer are businesses, since they are the one who buy hundreds of licenses and pay for technical support. TPM requirement was not a surprise to anyone:
In fact, in the 55 pages of minumum specifications for Windows 10 hardware TPM is mentioned 60 times.
A quote from the link above.
there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.
What other hardware could they require to prevent firmware attacks?
“it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.
As shown in the link above, it is for security. The profit comes when businesses keep buying Windows instead of moving to MacOS for lack of security in Windows machines.
“it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.
Apple has shown you can have products made of recycled material while still being high quality and highly profitable. If you want environmentally friendly products you need to pay more, because like you said, it is not profitable to sell those products at the same price as before. So you either complain about price or about the environment, can’t have both.
“for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.
The truth is most surveillance technologies will help protect the kids. This is a fact. If you gave the police access to everyone’s phone all the time kids would objectively be safer on the internet. Yes, this is used as an excuse to attack our privacy, but it does work, and there’s no reason to be skeptical. Anyways, this is not on topic to windows TPM.
Apple will happily throw away a good machine to sell you a new one, their eco friendlyness and repairability scores are self scored bullshit.
That’s beside the point. They make their machines with recycled materials, and it’s a fact. There are people using 10 year old MacBooks and iPads, so I don’t think anybody is being forced to “throw away” a good machine.
Having police access to everyone’s phone would not make people safer. You would not have enough police to monitor and it is a backdoor for hacking.
That was an example. What they would do is have computer scan your data for illegal content (like they planned to do with iCloud), and any flagged data would get checked by an actual person. If you think this wouldn’t help protect people, you are lying to yourself. Whether this is a privacy issue or not is not the point, the point is that “it’s for the children” is a valid concern for implementing this kind of stuff and not just something to be skeptical about.
Just like Intel Management Engine that gave hackers passwordless entry into machines. Having control like that is not safety.
You are still evading the issue at hand. I never claimed backdoors are not a security issue, I said they would definitely help protect the children, as I repeated above.
Plus anyone with physical access is going to defeat security anyway.
Obviously. The point of things like TPM is to prevent remote hacking. Who claimed otherwise? You cannot guarantee the safety of any system if the attacker has physical access. I assume your computer doesn’t have a log in password since anyone with physical access can defeat it, right?
My linuxOS has a MOC signed by microsoft, an OS can work on TPM with a signature…hackers will find a way to spoof into it
Yes, nothing is foolproof. Should we stop advancing security just because it’s not perfect? Should we stop using SSL/TLS because BREACH and POODLE exploits exist? Should we stop using passwords because someone can brute force them? Maybe we should also throw away memory and thread safe languages because there are some corner cases where they can be used in an unsafe manner? Listen to yourself.
Hey Microsoft, if you want me to upgrade to Windows 11, you could start by removing the completely arbitrary requirement to have TPM 2.0.
I had an HP Zbook Workstation. With TPM1.x Initially said get ready for W11, then months later meeage: this model fails TPM 2.0 requirement, CPU OK. I used HP firmware tool to upgrade from TPM 1.x to TPM2.0. A recheck with W11 a few months later: TPM OK, CPU no good. Last month the message about the system not being upgradeable to W11 disappeared and replaced with a link: to learn more about W11. Wtf. Do they even know what system requirements they need?
Sadly, Microsoft doesn’t need to do anything to have you to upgrade to Windows 11: you just need to buy a new device in the mainstream market. Aside from building your rig from scratch, of course.
SteamDeck is a good example: Microsoft didn’t do nothing to promote the handheld PC gaming industry, even if Valve shown that their free and licenseless OS proved to be the best one… most OEM deliver Window’s only PC handheld, because they are afraid to lose the market segment of those who pirate PC games.
If any of those who pirate PC games are reading here: for now all my pillaged goods are working fine on Steam Deck and on Desktop Linux.
So you have to do anything different? Install wine, or special install requirements?
I’m running Nobara, so the basics like wine, Nvidia drivers … are already set up OOTB. There are multiple ways, but i like the way Lutris does it:
Heroic Launcher’s installation is a bit more streamlined, but i found Lutris can do more stuff - i don’t know if i would have managed to mod my (owned) Battletech installation (BTA3062) so easily with Heroic. (involved setting a bunch of Envvars and dll overrides)
Why do we even need a toilet paper machine 2.0 to use windows 11?
Joke aside, yeah what’s up with that? People been able to bypass it and have no problem.
It’s for OS level DRM. And I would bet some spying too.
Rumour is it’s literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There’s literally no technical reasons for it.
HP has a tool to upgrade TPM firmware from 1.x to 2.0.
it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.
there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.
basically, the same bullshit line that’s used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.
“it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.
“it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.
“for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.
Windows has been requiring hardware manufactures to include TPM 2.0 support since July 2016 , and Windows 11 was released in October 2021. The truth is Microsoft did everything they could to wait for people to get their hands on new hardware (5 years). Data shows that 83% of businesses were victims of firmware attacks, which is exactly what TPM helps with. Like it or not Microsoft’s primary customer are businesses, since they are the one who buy hundreds of licenses and pay for technical support. TPM requirement was not a surprise to anyone:
A quote from the link above.
What other hardware could they require to prevent firmware attacks?
As shown in the link above, it is for security. The profit comes when businesses keep buying Windows instead of moving to MacOS for lack of security in Windows machines.
Apple has shown you can have products made of recycled material while still being high quality and highly profitable. If you want environmentally friendly products you need to pay more, because like you said, it is not profitable to sell those products at the same price as before. So you either complain about price or about the environment, can’t have both.
The truth is most surveillance technologies will help protect the kids. This is a fact. If you gave the police access to everyone’s phone all the time kids would objectively be safer on the internet. Yes, this is used as an excuse to attack our privacy, but it does work, and there’s no reason to be skeptical. Anyways, this is not on topic to windows TPM.
Apple will happily throw away a good machine to sell you a new one, their eco friendlyness and repairability scores are self scored bullshit.
Having police access to everyone’s phone would not make people safer. You would not have enough police to monitor and it is a backdoor for hacking.
Just like Intel Management Engine that gave hackers passwordless entry into machines. Having control like that is not safety.
Plus anyone with physical access is going to defeat security anyway.
My linuxOS has a MOC signed by microsoft, an OS can work on TPM with a signature…hackers will find a way to spoof into it
That’s beside the point. They make their machines with recycled materials, and it’s a fact. There are people using 10 year old MacBooks and iPads, so I don’t think anybody is being forced to “throw away” a good machine.
That was an example. What they would do is have computer scan your data for illegal content (like they planned to do with iCloud), and any flagged data would get checked by an actual person. If you think this wouldn’t help protect people, you are lying to yourself. Whether this is a privacy issue or not is not the point, the point is that “it’s for the children” is a valid concern for implementing this kind of stuff and not just something to be skeptical about.
You are still evading the issue at hand. I never claimed backdoors are not a security issue, I said they would definitely help protect the children, as I repeated above.
Obviously. The point of things like TPM is to prevent remote hacking. Who claimed otherwise? You cannot guarantee the safety of any system if the attacker has physical access. I assume your computer doesn’t have a log in password since anyone with physical access can defeat it, right?
Yes, nothing is foolproof. Should we stop advancing security just because it’s not perfect? Should we stop using SSL/TLS because BREACH and POODLE exploits exist? Should we stop using passwords because someone can brute force them? Maybe we should also throw away memory and thread safe languages because there are some corner cases where they can be used in an unsafe manner? Listen to yourself.
The toilet paper machine is to mop up all the shit they keep dropping on us.
I think when the time comes I’ll give Windows 11 ltsc a look which has tpm be optional. Less bloatware too.