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There, the tourists “violently intimidated one of activists, who is a racialized woman, calling her ‘fascist’, ‘monkey’, telling her to go back to Africa and even threatening to kill her.”
Sounds on par for ethnic supremacists.
The “go to Africa” made me confused because all the people seemed to be white Portuguese. I saw nobody of African descent (and it still wouldn’t be OK).
Maybe our nice tans were to offensive for those snow flakes.
Do Israelis not also have tans?
The majority of Jews and Israeli people are of European Caucuses descent today. Very few are descendents of the Semites. Ironically, the majority of Palestinians are closer descendents of the Semites than the current global Jewish population… Hmm…
What does it mean to be racialized?
To acquire one unpaired valence electron.
Person of color, but only in a background where it has any significance. So a Chinese person is racialized in France, but not in China, and a German person is racialized in Japan, but not in Germany.
Fortunately the bible only says to love your neighbour so you can really let loose when travelling.
the bible also contains accounts of god helping his people conquer land and uproot the residing population from it. I wouldn’t use it as a moral reference.
In fact, let’s be honest: there is no point in quoting any religious text, regardless of religion, when discussing morality. These texts are horribly dated and should be considered as historically interesting, but nothing more.
Hey I’m with you, my comment was supposed to highlight as much. Helping people conquer land is even one of the more palatable examples you can choose from when it comes to morally abhorrent things in the bible.
I mean, when there’s no commandment against rape and the one for murder doesn’t count when their god says it’s totes ok bro, take their land and dash their babies against the rocks, they have no moral ground to stand on.
Religion is the language of the oppressors couched in fantasy to make you do their dirty work in the here and now for a payoff that certainly doesn’t exist.
The audacity of entering someone’s country, trying to control what they do and say and then tell them to go somewhere else “where they came from”. Who would’ve expected an Israeli of being capable of such a thing.
The two question zionists need to be explicitly asked are:
- Hypothetically, do they even believe it would ever be possible for Israel to commit genocide?
- If so, what characteristics would it need to have in order to qualify as genocide?
If they answer no to the first one, they expose their complete bias and therefore unable to even argue their position effectively.
If they answer yes, then they have to explain why the genocidal traits of what Israel are doing are not genocide, which might hopefully make them more introspective.
Send them home!
Isn’t there a word for when people go to a foreign country and attack the locals? Feels like it’s right on the tip of my tongue…
Terrorists.
Terrourists 😂
This is not the first time - Israeli tourists attack vigil in Cusco in support of Palestine
israeli tourists should be banned from entering the EU, same as russian tourists. People from these two fucking countries should not be allowed in.
As someone from Russia - I’m confused really, while I’d feel offended myself, I know what Russian tourists are like in general. Ahem.
The people of Russia aren’t guilty of anything.
In principle, the same is true of Israelites.
We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.
Israels population continued to vote for Netanyahu or even worse fascists and even the so called “center” and “center left” have been largely in support of continued settler colonial displacements and ethnic cleansings. Still a majority is in support of the current genocide.
The opposition to being a white supremacists “Blut und Boden, Lebensraum” Fascist state are in the small minority unfortunately.
…and Germans voted for Hitler.
Americans did and will again vote for trump. That doesn’t mean all Americans want what he wants.
Y’all are fucking ridiculous. It’s alarming.
And Germans have to take the responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi time yes. What are you on about? If people vote for a government in a democratic election they bear responsibility for it. Not individually but as a people.
Also the Germans voted Hitler once and then there were no more elections. Israel had 11 elections since Netanyahu first came into power. And also the non Netanyahu governments continued the “settlements” aka ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.
To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.
Denying people tourist visas based on their country being complicit in a genocide is not an atrocity. Committing genocide is.
To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.
Ok now try pointing out that Gazans voted for Hamas. I’ll get the popcorn.
Here’s some read for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#Banality_of_evil
Yes, an average russian or Israeli person is not likely to have directly participated in the recent events.
The catch, though, it’s that by not opposing the actions of their governments, they DO contribute to the events indirectly. They pay taxes. They work at factories producing weapons. They make the food that the soldiers eat.
On top of that it’s not russian government who’s currently pulling the triggers and dropping bombs. Just regular folks who just follow orders.
Yes, protesting in russia is not easy, but the war keeps going on because the government sees that people aren’t worried too much about it.
And yes, in both countries there are people who actively oppose, but the majority doesn’t.
And that majority is complicit.
I used to think a bit on this line. But as I watched the rise of Trump I came to realize that most of his supporters were simply dupped by his lies, and manipulated because of human nature. Many aren’t bad people, but they honestly believe what they have been told. So thier crime is being human, and what turns out to be an average amount gullible. We really need to find a way to hold the leaders accountable.
I’m the opposite. I believe Trump supporters are fully responsible for their own actions. If they go and kill someone, I don’t fucking care if Trump told them to do it when they had other choices. Unless these people are so mentally deficient that they’d need constant care and legal guardians to make decisions for them then they are completely capable of choosing to not be shit heads.
That’s pretty much the point of banality of evil - you don’t need an extraordinary assembly of psychopaths to run a fascist regime. All it takes is a group of loud populists, generally discontent crowd and, boom, you have “make Germany great again”.
After ww2 finished, both Germanies discovered that they don’t really have enough people without Nazi past that could run the country. So most folks just went back to work to slightly renamed workplaces.
Does that mean they were not complicit? They were and the winners made sure Germans would learn about what they caused.
I guess the only excuse back the was that they didn’t know better. But we do.
Sounds like you are saying it’s the leaders and such, not the crowd. I agree. I don’t blame the rank and file for being dupped by people they were raised to trust.
Careful, they might try to steal your home while they’re there.
Wow, heart warming. Turns out the real terrorists were the Israelis we met along the way ❤
