• fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    This.

    I have a (well managed) chronic illness. I have to go to lots of doctors at different clinics. All of them are in the habit of just collecting all the information.

    For example, as a patient, there’s no benefit to me whatsoever of the doctor being aware of the day and month of my birth. That’s just the start though, they have my medical concession id number, addresses, et cetera.

    If you express any reluctance at all, you’re made to feel like a pariah. Like a COVID denier or something. For example, there was one clinic I want sure I would continue with, so when I was asked to fill out my details I asked whether it was really necessary given that I might not come on board as a patient, the receptionist and doctor just couldn’t understand why I might be reluctant.

    Last time I saw my GP he asked whether he could record our conversation… “it’s some AI thing we’re trialling”. OMFG. Why on earth would I want that? Why would anyone want that? I want my GP who is an actual person to listen to my circumstances and determine the best course of action.

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      2 months ago

      Day and Month of Birth is a basic check to see if you are who you say you are, if you are refusing to give even basic details like that I can see why the medical staff who deal with you would give you confused/annoyed expressions

      • twack@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Well, yea, but we shouldn’t use it for that either.

        Google found my day and month of birth in about 3 seconds, and it’s entirely because of this “collect everything” behavior.

        • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Same with social security numbers. I’ve lost count of all the sites I’ve had to enter it in over the years, at this point I just assume all of my info is available to a motivated search

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        2 months ago

        To be clear, I don’t refuse to provide my Day and Month of Birth, simply because I don’t want to be some kind of privacy pariah.

        That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don’t believe that remains the case in 2024.

        The basic concept of Australian Privacy Legislation is that organisations ought to collect only that information which they require, and they should disclose the reason why they are collecting that data.

        If the only reason to collect ones Day and Month of birth is so I can repeat it back and confirm it later then that seems very pointless to me. There are other details which they do require which can be used to confirm my identity.

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          2 months ago

          That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don’t believe that remains the case in 2024.

          It’s useful for quickly disambiguating between multiple people with the same name though - the odds that two people with the same name and date of birth are using the same provider on the same day are low enough to consider it useful.

          • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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            2 months ago

            I’m certain that fewer than 0.1% of patients at a small medical clinic would share the same first and last names. In those cases, you could differentiate by address and age if necessary.

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              2 months ago

              I think you underestimate how common the most common first and last names are. In an even small city you are likely to see repeats of the most common names.

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                  1 month ago

                  Yes, uniquely identifying the patient is important, especially for pharmacies where people with the same name might receive different doses of the same drug or receive similar sounding drugs that the patient might not catch.

                  What would you suggest? It needs to be a piece of information that is probably unique when paired with name at least as far as the local area, that absolutely everyone has, that the pharmacy and doctor both have and is unlikely to change (to avoid issues where records in one place are updated before the other).

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          2 months ago

          Which other identifiers would you feel comfortable confirming? Is there a reason you think DoB is dangerous to share?

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            2 months ago

            DoB is considered sensitive personal information in the Australian Privacy Act.

            Other identifiers might be street number or last three digits of phone number.

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          When I donate blood, they ask me for that info like 3 or 4 times throughout the process. While it probably doesn’t apply to a regular doctors visit, I think it’s also used to gauge if you are alert and your memory is good.

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      I’m always in a “Grab any data that might be useful” mood at the doctor’s office. I’ve had teams of trainees brought into my room to show off any medical problems I have. I love supporting the medical field however I can. My mom was in a relatively famous medical video ages ago and such.

      But if a doctor asked me to train his AI I’d tell him to fuck right off. No way, no how.

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      2 months ago

      man, id hate to have you as a client. I’m all for privacy and not wasting time, but you’re just unbearable in this regard.