• Beaver@lemmy.ca
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    I’m 4 of the things on the bottom track.

    We need to get Joe Biden elected then make his life hell until he stops funding Israel.

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      Hell yeah.

      Maybe we can get him to stop funding Israel before that, even. But first and foremost, fascism must be stopped, for the same reason that the Western Allies sided with the Soviet Union in WW2. We may despise each other, but there is a worse foe afoot.

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        My rep called for a permanent ceasefire. Makes me at least somewhat happy I voted for him.

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      To elect the person most likely not to horribly escalate the guaranteed protest post election is quite a strat.

      Who ever said politics were boring? Shits on fire, literally

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    Also don’t forget the supreme court. 2 of the conservatives justices are getting old and couldnpossibly retire during a trump term to assure a partisan republican court for several decades.

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    Just because you’d pull one of those levers if it comes down to it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do what you can to avert things before it comes to that.

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      I mean, if you’ve got a plan, I’m all for it. Absolutely, keep protesting against the genocide, boycotting Israeli goods, doing whatever you can. If you’ve got plans for a mass revolution taking to the streets, by all means.

      But, if it comes down to it, election day comes and the current state of affairs is ongoing, you have to know which lever to pull, vile as it is. The greater evil helps no one.

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      If you have a viable way of doing so before the election, by all means, share your idea.

      Otherwise, pull the lever and return to planning track disposal after election day.

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      Ok, let us know when you start.

      Oh you want us to do it while you sit at home and we get shot? Typical.

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        I’m a union and community organizer. I’m already working on this shit. Let me know when you want to come and help.

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    Knocking it out of the park with these memes lately PugJesus!

    Let’s see the “both sides are the same”/“vote third party” crowd scamper out into the light to get shut the fuck down yet again.

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    Holy fucking shit… We’ve looped back around with the trolley problem memes to end up back at the actual trolley problem.

    The entire reason the trolley problem is a “problem” is because it’s not necessarily morally correct to insert yourself into a problem in order to save people, if by doing so you also condemn someone. It’s debated that it’s better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.

    It’s supposed to be a difficult situation, even if taking action saves lives, because by taking action you are specifically partially responsible as an acting member in the scenario. There are a lot of people who believe that it’s better to stay out of it and leave yourself morally untouched for having never taken part in it than to take action, even if the action would save lives. And there are a lot of people who believe that it’s better to take action if you can, especially if it saves lives, even if your actions still condemn people to death.

    The whole point is that it’s NOT a scenario with a correct answer. The best answer is the one that lets you sleep at night. Yes, I’ll be voting democrat, but I certainly don’t blame those who believe dirtying your hands by voting for a genocide supporter is an unacceptable act.

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      It’s debated that it’s better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.

      “It’s debated”, yes. Most things are debated. Looking at the trolley problem, I don’t really have any respect for anyone who thinks that a strict deontological interpretation is worth murdering four extra people.

      Inaction isn’t innocence, it’s a choice like any other.

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        Congratulations, you solved the trolley problem. I’ll let all of the philosophers of the world know so you can collect your prize… Inaction isn’t innocence, but the “right” answer isn’t innocence, either. Don’t take solace in the fact that you minimized the damage by condemning a bunch of people you don’t know to death by the very person you supported; this election will be my greatest regret in life for not doing something more to force out a 3rd option, as it should be for all of us.

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          This is why I never got the trolley problem. It seems so obvious that you’re making a choice either way, and less deaths is better.

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          Congratulations, you solved the trolley problem. I’ll let all of the philosophers of the world know so you can collect your prize

          Thanks. I didn’t realize having strong moral convictions was so rare!

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            Oh it’s not, it’s just rare for someone to have them while actually understanding morality.

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    These stupid jokes about centrists really show how fucked up the USA is. Both parties are the same: shit. One is less shit than the other (democrats, to be clear), but they are both still shit. There’s a guy running literally called “Literally Anybody Else”.

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    It should show the rest of the flags above a few meters later on the top track.

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        I think DB0 is cool, they just have some bad takes springing from cynicism.

        And fuck, getting up in the morning, I can hardly blame them some days.

        But we have to do what little we can, as individuals in a world of billions, to oppose what we can, how we can.

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          I see you post a lot and I think db0 is definitely cooler

          oppose what we can, how we can

          We gotta go so far past picking between these two garbage choices

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            We gotta go so far past picking between these two garbage choices

            In the long-term, yes.

            In the short-term, unless you’ve got an army with massive popular support for a government overthrow hidden in your garage, this is where we’re at.

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    Good thing the children in cages, barbed wires and general killing of immingrants in the Mexico border isn’t happening anymore now that Biden is president!

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      Tell me which political party implemented this?

      And which political party made it incredibly difficult to dismantle in the House/Senate?

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      You’re absolutely right, if only the Democrats had slipped one of the members of SCOTUS an extra 20$.

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        The first thing I’ll do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrOrwmk78Y

        Im pro choice https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzdkAbu8dY

        Not my highest priority https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiDZejZFjg

        parody… No https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z4uhxpOnN0

        Obama had a filibuster proof senate for three weeks, he could have given you a proper health care WITH a public option, but he did a giveaway to big pharma instead. Also could have done Roe at that time…

        I hope you guys watch Obama speak in the videos. It’s mind boggling…

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          Obama had a filibuster proof senate for three weeks

          Tell me you don’t understand Congress without telling me you don’t understand Congress.

          Three weeks is fucking nothing, especially for a contentious issue.

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              Not in national legislature in this country. Honest question - have you checked out the process for passing bills in Congress? Not being a smart-ass or anything. It’s fucking byzantine and reliant on everyone in a slim majority (or slim supermajority, depending on what you’re trying to do) 100% playing ball. Sometimes it’s also reliant on the opposition playing ball. It’s insane. It’s dysfunctional in the extreme. And during Obama’s term, that dysfunction became worse than ever - either (depending on who you ask) because it had been steadily getting worse since the 90s, or because Obama was Black and the GOP took that opportunity to pander to their most racist supporters by being mindlessly obstructionist (or some mixture of both).

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            US politics is just professional wrestling, the sooner you understand that, the better. Usually the GOP are the bad guys, but this time it was the blue dog democrats… Whatever it takes to keep the class helping policy from being passed. R’s don’t want class helping policy passed and D’s don’t want class helping policy passed. D’s pretend they want it, though.

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      Comments like this make me realize how shitty the education system in America is. Go take an online civics course or read book, just do something to educate yourself about how laws are passed at the federal level.

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      And what’s worse is they’ll probably not fix the issue as it is an excellent rallying call.

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    TBF, the Democrat trolley will run over all those people only slightly less than the Republican one.